Glock 17 mag won't chamber rounds

[Newbomb92]

I believe it's a well made "knock off"....or possibly one which didn't get QC inspected and slipped out of the Glock factory.....

tell tale signs: Pic 1; the bases are even but when look at the mag catch they are at obviously different distances from the base, BUT the feed end is also obviously a different shape entirely...notice the two sided slant vs one illongated slant

pic 2; the feed end is stamped on the good one 9mm and the bad one is not (a tell tale sign of a knock off, because while duplicating engraving is relatively easy for people it is still difficult enough to consume a lot of time)...also, the "well" where the top round is fed from is squared in shape on the good one and the other is obviously rounded...and there is not a longer space between the first set of two round markings and the next set..plus Glock mags are stamped above and not to the side

pic 3; the good mag...you can very distinctly see the MOLD lines in the plastic near the base of the mag..one vertical under the Glock label and a square one surrounding the label....the bad mag does not have these distinct lines...and a mass producer would have the same lines in all of it's same parts...different molds would cost too much and cause to many problems in mass production facilities.......

you should send it to Glock...however I think you will find that it is a good knock off and will just spend money on shipping for nothing....not to bad mouth an INGO member...but I would have a feeling that there is more to its history than you think from what I can easily make out in these pictures alone

The Glock was bought new from Gander Mountain 3 weeks ago.

 

[the1kidd03]

eww....got hosed buying from gander...lol anyway, than I would say it's an older mag, possibly for a different model or different Gen.......but every Glock mag I've seen looks identical to your good one

 

[Newbomb92]

eww....got hosed buying from gander...lol anyway, than I would say it's an older mag, possibly for a different model or different Gen.......but every Glock mag I've seen looks identical to your good one

Got hosed?

 

[the1kidd03]

screwed.....lol... they have horrible prices...even their sales aren't very good....

list of prices in town from highest to lowest
Don's guns
Gander Mountain, Pops guns
Elmores

cheapest:
Bradis
Plainfield
ITS
AuctionArms.com, BudsGunshop.com...occasionally armslist.com
Gunbroker.com

 

[shooter521]

possibly one which didn't get QC inspected and slipped out of the Glock factory...

Most likely this.

the feed end is also obviously a different shape entirely...notice the two sided slant vs one illongated slant

the feed end is stamped on the good one 9mm and the bad one is not (a tell tale sign of a knock off

the "well" where the top round is fed from is squared in shape on the good one and the other is obviously rounded...and there is not a longer space between the first set of two round markings and the next set..plus Glock mags are stamped above and not to the side

the good mag...you can very distinctly see the MOLD lines in the plastic near the base of the mag..one vertical under the Glock label and a square one surrounding the label....the bad mag does not have these distinct lines...

I believe everything you describe can be accounted for by simple variations in magazine design and specifications over the years. An early NFML Glock mag is very different from a recent production FML mag.

To wit:

All of the magazines in this pic are Glock factory originals.

Mag 3 in the pic looks exactly like the OP's problem mag, to include the shorter height and different top geometry, and Mag 7 looks just like the OP's good mag.

not to bad mouth an INGO member

 

[shooter521]

The Glock was bought new from Gander Mountain 3 weeks ago.

The OP stated he bought the gun from an INGO member?

They both came with the gun, I bought the gun in a new in box unfired condition from a member here. The gun fit the bill, still had the copper grease on the rails. Both magazines have Glock stamps.

 

[the1kidd03]

possible.....the only way to know is manufaturers date of production....the mold lines will not change from one to another and back...if the mold changes it will be changed from then on until another update has been made to their process equipment...

 

[esrice]

The OP stated he bought the gun from an INGO member?

I'm guessing that Newbomb92 is that member, and he was the one that got it from Gander.

 

[shooter521]

I'm guessing that Newbomb92 is that member, and he was the one that got it from Gander.

If the gun was bought new from Gander and came with the problem mag, something's fishy; that style of magazine hasn't been produced in about 20 years.

 

[Newbomb92]

If the gun was bought new from Gander and came with the problem mag, something's fishy; that style of magazine hasn't been produced in about 20 years.

Let's call a spade a spade....what are you trying to say?

 

[shooter521]

Let's call a spade a spade....what are you trying to say?

Neither magazine in the OP's photos is new production. Did both mags come with the gun when you bought it from Gander Mountain? Was the gun represented to you as a new firearm?

I would be pissed if I bought a "new" pistol from a retail shop and it came with two old magazines of different types.

 

[Newbomb92]

Both those mags came with, gun was new. I offered the op a full price refund. I believe it was a red label gun, the box label is red.

 

[shooter521]

Both those mags came with, gun was new.

Then Gander screwed you. What is the 3-letter S/N prefix on the gun? Not pointing fingers or accusing anyone of anything; just trying to get a handle on how old the gun is.

 

[Newbomb92]

NLB

 

[Newbomb92]

PM sent shooter

 

[esrice]

I offered the op a full price refund.

No one here is pointing fingers at you. It's Gander who appears to have some splainin' to do. That's quite a gesture though.

 

[shooter521]

NLB

Gun was built in mid-2009.

 

[Greatestsin]

Newbomb was cool about everything. Bottom line, I found someone with an older model willing to trade me a new model magazine for the old one that works in his gun. Once again the knowledge on INGO has saved the day, and Newbomb was good to deal with and I already had given him props via I trader. I'd recommend him to anyone.

 

[RangeJunkie]

Newbomb was cool about everything. Bottom line, I found someone with an older model willing to trade me a new model magazine for the old one that works in his gun. Once again the knowledge on INGO has saved the day, and Newbomb was good to deal with and I already had given him props via I trader. I'd recommend him to anyone.

Case closed then, sounds like everyone is happy.

 

[shooter521]

Case closed then, sounds like everyone is happy.

Great that the OP got taken care of, but I'm still wondering:

1) what was wrong with the NFML mag that wouldn't allow it to function properly in a Gen3 pistol

and

2) why GM would be selling a 3-year old pistol with even older mags as "new"?