FBI Massively Undercounts "Good guy with a gun"

[SheepDog4Life]

FBI undercounts number of times armed citizens have thwarted active shooting incidents: report

A report from the Crime Prevention Research Center found 34.4% of active shootings were thwarted by armed citizens between 2014 to 2021, and argues the FBI undercounts such data.

www.foxnews.com

Massive errors in FBI’s Active Shooting Reports regarding cases where civilians stop attacks: Instead of 4.4%, the correct number is at least 34.4%. In 2021, it is at least 49.1%. Excluding gun-free zones, it averaged over 50%.

FBI ACTIVE SHOOTER DATABASE is available here for people who want to check all the casesDownload Data: For convenience, a PDF of the Excel file is also available here and a webpage with the list an…

crimeresearch.org

The FBI statistics indicate that armed citizens thwart only 4.4% of active/mass shooters.

This study indicates it is 34.4% because the FBI massively under counts active shooter situations.

When looking at when the shooting occurs in places when concealed carry is allowed (i,e, not GFZs) that percentage rises to above 50% in each of the last seven years, averaging 51%.

(using math, it looks like for GFZ, or that the study could not determine whether guns were allowed, that drops to 12.8%)

 

[edwea]

Why even cite fbi data anymore? They've lost all credibility.

 

[drillsgt]

Why even cite fbi data anymore? They've lost all credibility.

The .gov lovers in the other thread mentioning this say there's no bias, nothing to see here lol.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Just an example, but an enlightening one... the FBI data does not count Jack Wilson's actions at West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas as an armed civilian stopping an active/mass shooter.

Full stop.

For example, the Bureau’s report about the Dec. 29, 2019 attack on the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas, that left two men dead does not list this as an incident of “civic engagement.” Instead, the FBI lists this attack as being stopped by a security guard. A parishioner, who had volunteered to provide security during worship, fatally shot the perpetrator. That man, Jack Wilson, told Dr. John Lott that he was not a security professional. He said that 19 to 20 members of the congregation were armed that day, and they didn’t even keep track of who was carrying a concealed weapon.

The .gov lovers in the other thread mentioning this say there's no bias, nothing to see here lol.

I looked for another thread to avoid a dup, but apparently missed it. can you point me to it, still not finding it.

 

[drillsgt]

Just an example, but an enlightening one... the FBI data does not count Jack Wilson's actions at West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas as an armed civilian stopping an active/mass shooter.

Full stop.



I looked for another thread to avoid a dup, but apparently missed it. can you point me to it, still not finding it.

Not really a dupe per se but discusses a similar topic.

More FBI BS

https://dailycaller.com/2022/10/05/report-fbi-underreports-armed-civilians-mass-shootings/

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Yes, this is a dupe. A different article quoted but goes back to the same study... beat me by a day!

I see @mom45 and @d.kaufman are on... please lock this one.