Environmentalist Green is the New Commie Red

[rambone]

"Environmentalist Green is the new Commie Red." -Rambone
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There's that "commie" word being thrown around again for something we don't agree with. Sounds like Joseph McCarthy.

I don't throw that word around lightly.

Both movements are about Government control. Both involve heavy regulation and bans on arbitrary things. Both facilitate Government rationing the use of natural resources. Both oppress the private sector. Both kill jobs. Both create impoverished humans for the "greater good." Both despise capitalism and embrace socialism. Both promote utopian balance.

You see, Communism is still relatively taboo in today's society. Many Marxists simply changed their tactics and the means to their totalitarian end. By changing the name of their movement, the same ideology perpetuates under a new front: Saving the Earth.

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Environmentalism is Recycled Communism

Communism: The pursuit of individual self-interest causes monopolies, depressions, and exploitation of workers by capitalists. It must be replaced by self-sacrifice for the benefit of the working class and the Socialist State. Capitalists and landowners must be exterminated for the benefit of the proletariat.

Environmentalism: The pursuit of individual self-interest causes global warming, acid rain, and ozone depletion. It must be replaced by self-sacrifice for the good of other species, and for the good of the planet, under the auspices of international treaties and a nascent Global Socialist State: the UN.

Communism and Environmentalism render the same controls over people, under different pretenses and motivations. The outcome is the same.


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Vaclav Klaus on Communism and the Ideology of Environmentalism

Vaclav Klaus, President of the Czech Republic

KLAUS: The green movement is trying to dictate, control, regulate, mastermind our lives. This is what we see every day. They want to discuss how many children we can have because the man is a creature which damages the atmosphere because of breathing. They are dictating us what kind of cars we can use, how big the refrigerators we can have. I speak as someone who lived in a communist era and who knows what it means to eliminate freedom, as someone who knows what it means to eliminate the market economy, someone who knows what it means to regulate, to command, to mastermind the economy from above.

Vaclav Klaus: Environmentalism as the new face of communism

"The environmentalists' attitude toward nature is analogous to the Marxist approach to economics. The aim in both cases is to replace the free, spontaneous evolution of the world (and humankind) by the would-be optimal, central or-using today's fashionable adjective-global planning of world development. Much as in the case of Communism, this approach is utopian and would lead to results completely different from the intended ones. Like other utopias, this one can never materialize, and efforts to make it materialize can only be carried out through restrictions of freedom, through the dictates of a small, elitist minority over the overwhelming majority."

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Klaus adds, "In the past 150 years (at least since Marx), the socialists have been very effectively destroying human freedom under humane and compassionate slogans, such as caring for man, ensuring social equality, and fostering social welfare. The environmentalists are doing the same under equally noble-minded slogans, expressing concern about nature more than about people (recall their radical motto 'Earth first'). In both cases, the slogans have been (and still are) just a smokescreen. In both cases, the movements were (and are) completely about power, about the hegemony of the 'chosen ones' (as they see themselves) over the rest of us, about the imposition of the only correct worldview (their own), about the remodeling of the world."

Vaclav Klaus has lived under communism. He understands first-hand the tactics used to enslave a nation. He is the current President of the Czech Republic. He is also an economist and author of Blue Planet, Green Shackles.

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Dr. Charles Krauthammer: Environmentalists Pick Up Where Communists Left Off

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Two decades ago, however, socialism and communism died rudely, then were buried forever by the empirical demonstration of the superiority of market capitalism everywhere from Thatcher's England to Deng's China, where just the partial abolition of socialism lifted more people out of poverty more rapidly than ever in human history.

Just as the ash heap of history beckoned, the intellectual left was handed the ultimate salvation: environmentalism. Now the experts will regulate your life not in the name of the proletariat or Fabian socialism but -- even better -- in the name of Earth itself.

Dr. Krauthammer is a respected conservative columnist. He has often criticized environmentalism as a front for taxation, regulation, and government expansion.

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6 Green Lessons We Can Learn From Communism : TreeHugger

What do you think of when someone mentions communism? Stalin, a hammer and sickle, the color red, Russia, Cuba, factories, soldiers marching in unison, and cold, cold oppression? Yeah, me too. But what if I told you that in some ways, communism is green?

Before you call the Dept. of Homeland Security, consider this: The impression of communism I invoked is largely thanks to American cinema, a still paranoid post-McCarthy news media, and Stalin's monstrous reign after WWII. But between the actual doctrines of Marxism and the pre-revolution fervor in Russia and Eastern Europe, there are actually a bunch of lessons we can glean from communists and apply today—to environmentalism.

Yes, even though communism led to corrupt governments responsible for the suffering of millions, communists and communist thinking have nonetheless produced some worthy green ideas. And hey, some world leaders even think environmentalism is the biggest threat since communism. Maybe they're closer in spirit than we thought?

This article is straight from the horse's mouth. On TreeHugger.com, one columnist examines "6 Green Lessons We Can Learn From Communism." Check it out. It even acknowledges that one of the Pillars of Communism is environmentalism. They are kindred ideologies.
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Van Jones: The New Face of Environmentalism

Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, "I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.'" Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary." In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."

Van Jones. Founder of the Non-Profit Organization, Green For All. The former GREEN JOBS czar appointed by President Obama. Coincidentally an avowed communist. One of many radical communists actively working in the new field of climate-alarmism.
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Impact of Cap & Trade on Indiana

EFFECTS OF CAP & TRADE ON THE STATE OF INDIANA
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Cap & Trade. The biggest tax in US History. A communists' dream. Rationed resources, high taxes, and massive Government control of the economy. Successfully confiscates wealth while stifling the free market. Mandates massive statist controls of the Federal Government over things like the environmentalist standards your home must meet before being able to sell it.
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Environmentalism vs. Communism: Is there a difference?

The concept for communism and environmentalism is basically the same. It’s actually pretty simple to identify as well. If you strip individuals of their basic rights and turn all power over to the federal government, the citizenry will be completely dependent on that government. The only difference between the two is the way this process takes place.

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So, if we can’t get accurate readings and obtain accurate future climate models, why is there such a strong desire for new restrictions, regulations, and laws by environmentalists? Why are we trying to correct something through regulations and taxes when we’re not even sure what that something is?

The answer is simple: It’s not about saving the planet – it’s about destroying capitalism.

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So, don’t worry America. Just keep believing that environmentalists are nothing more than tree-hugging hippies that want to save polar bears from drowning. Keep believing that human activity is able to alter our climate so drastically that we can bring about ice ages or a fiery planet. Just continue to allow yourself to be educated by the media and politicians with an agenda. You don’t need to move too quickly though. After all, controlling communication and information is only the first stages of communism, so you still have time.

Unfortunately, there is less time to stop this new wave of communism than there is to prevent global disasters.

 

[Fletch]

That's where the term "watermelon" comes from... green on the outside, red on the inside.

 

[public servant]

Rampant paranoia and McCarthyism.

"Environmentalist Green is the new Commie Red." -Rambone

Perhaps one day that will make it into the world's greatest quotes. But yes..you don't throw it around lightly. Last time you used it to describe someone who suggested using recycled paper to produce...toilet paper. Commie SOB's!!!! Please...

The World's Greatest Drinking Quotes - www.drunkbastard.net

 

[jesse485]

just cause you're paranoid...

doesn't mean that nobody is after you. While you may not like Rambone's delivery, he's still correct. Look back in history during the start of communist regimes, nobody expected the long-term repercussions except those leading the charge. Instead of asinine, useless pictures, how about some actual facts refuting the statements of the OP. I guess when the facts don't match your side of the story, it's up to name calling and insults to prove a point.

Rampant paranoia and McCarthyism.

 

[5.56'aholic]

what i find most ironic is the people heading up the green agenda: they belong to the most polluting, environment raping, smog creating, forest destroying, greedy generation to ever walk the face of the earth, yet no one questions their motivation....

 

[public servant]

what i find most ironic is the people heading up the green agenda: they belong to the most polluting, environment raping, smog creating, forest destroying, greedy generation to ever walk the face of the earth, yet no one questions their motivation....

They are communists. No other explanation needed!

 

[public servant]

doesn't mean that nobody is after you. While you may not like Rambone's delivery, he's still correct. Look back in history during the start of communist regimes, nobody expected the long-term repercussions except those leading the charge. Instead of asinine, useless pictures, how about some actual facts refuting the statements of the OP. I guess when the facts don't match your side of the story, it's up to name calling and insults to prove a point.

Factual information that because someone suggests recycling paper to make toilet paper they aren't a commie?? I doubt there is such information. Sorry you didn't like the picture. I'll try to sleep tonight.

Here's a bandwagon for you to jump on.

 

[Boilers]

Arrrgg!!! Rambone, I cannot rep you! But I tried.

 

[Fletch]

Factual information that because someone suggests recycling paper to make toilet paper they aren't a commie?

The only mention of toilet paper in this thread is in your posts (and now this one). So I take it you didn't bother to read what was presented...

 

[greyhound47]

Rampant paranoia and McCarthyism.

Perhaps one day that will make it into the world's greatest quotes. But yes..you don't throw it around lightly. Last time you used it to describe someone who suggested using recycled paper to produce...toilet paper. Commie SOB's!!!! Please...

The World's Greatest Drinking Quotes - www.drunkbastard.net

So you think that Obama, Gore, and the like, making speeches telling us we must "do with less" then going to their private jets, massive palatial homes does NOT sound Communist? You are kiddding yourself if you think that the ECO movement and communism are are not one and the same.

 

[5.56'aholic]

Here's a bandwagon for you to jump on.

sounds like you already jumped on it, prolly no more room left.

 

[mrjarrell]

Not much new here. I remember the Greens in Germany. It was common knowledge that they were reds, using environmentalism as their cover. The endgame was always to implement communism in Germany. They had adopted the progressive strategy of the long game. Now they've just done the same here and in other countries. Gore just happens to be their best useful idiot. Their supporters come from all sectors, having fallen for the rhetoric and bad science. Wouldn't surprise me to find one here. They lurk everywhere.

 

[public servant]

OMG...I think you may be on to something here...

I found unequivocal truth the Pope is a commie.

Is the Pope a Communist?

Walt Disney...

Jim Korkis : Walt Disney and the Communist Threat

Glenn Beck's cover story for his commie activities...

Breaking: Glenn Beck NOT a communist

And Dear God...Benjamin Franklin...

Benjamin Franklin, Communist RUTROW.org

I guess you were correct...there is a commie behind every tree.

WTF ever... Carry on comrades.

 

[Fletch]

I can't believe I'm engaging the court jester in a serious manner, but here goes...

The crucial difference between a watermelon and "some guy who's concerned about the environment" is their method of implementation.

If you say to me, "use recycled toilet paper, it's not that bad and it helps the environment", that's a positive message with a recommendation for upgrade. I would then say to you "I already use recycled toilet paper, because I agree it's a good idea."

But if you say to me, "government needs to ban all toilet paper that isn't made of recycled paper, and eliminate the ability to choose fancier toilet paper", that's a horse of a different color. Now you're not engaging me, you're dictating to me. I realize that with your pro-authoritarian bent, you probably don't see the difference, but trust me, it's there.

 

[rambone]

Alright well this has been one of the best debates ever. As long as I'm not being accused of saying an arbitrary word because I don't like something I guess I've made my point. I have researched communism extensively and read many articles and books about it. It does exist. I backed up my statement with relevant writing from credible sources. Nothing but jokes in return.

To clarify, if it matters, I don't consider every environmentalist a communist. I don't consider every communist an environmentalist. Not every person trying to save dolphins is being implicated in this.

But those behind "climate-alarmism," are definitely suspect. Climate-Alarmism is the theory that if we don't shift control of our resources over to Government immediately the world will suffer irreversible damage done by humans. The people who who bring us Cap & Trade, the CO2 tax, etc, are the ones specifically this thread is about. The rest of the tree-huggers are simply useful idiots to a cause they don't fully understand. It was ironic in that "TreeHugger.com" article because some activist was writing about his revelation that the movements are ideologically akin to each other. The key point is that the communist movement has always been about control, and that's what the environmentalist movement is turning into.

 

[steveh_131]

I'm with Rambone on this one.

It's all about government control. Do you really think that controlling our toilet paper is their endgame, or just one more small tightening of the leash around our necks?

I'm glad somebody will call it what it is.

Oh, and Senator McCarthy was a hero and a patriot. He happened to be right about pretty much all of his accusations. In light of actual history, mocking him just makes you look foolish.

 

[Fletch]

The main problem as I see it is that most of the environazis are so far to the left that they fundamentally do not believe that the free market works.

Take the low-flow toilet, for example. They forced us into these 1.5 gpf toilets, despite the fact that most of them are pathetic pieces of crap that won't flush all the pieces of crap. Folks actually started smuggling toilets, for God's sake, to get around the restrictions.

I recently finished the wife's bathroom, where we installed an American Standard Champion 4. It is every bit as powerful as the old 4 gpf toilets used to be, but you didn't hear about that from the environazis at the time. All you heard were vague platitudes that "oh, it doesn't make that much difference", despite a lot of evidence to the contrary (having to flush 2 or 3 times to get a real "coiler" to go down).

Their agenda was not to get us to engage with them, to get people to care about the environment, it was simply to demand that we do things their way. If they had led with demonstrations of the effectiveness of certain models of 1.5 gpf toilets, a lot of people would have readily bought them, because most people will do the responsible thing if they believe the costs and benefits are basically the same. Instead we just got told what to do, as always with the unspoken threat of all government edicts: at gunpoint if necessary.

 

[Disposable Heart]

I agree with Public on one thing: Our tendency to glom onto a buzzword that we have denotations for.

I was called liberal trash by a guy in line at the liquor store because I agreed with a worker there that we should have sales on Sundays. Liberal trash. Exact words. He did have a Buck Ofama shirt, which I did mention to him that I liked his shirt (I really did!). Everything he apparently did not like, he glomed the word "liberal" on.

Bush, the second, was elected on a platform of "family values". Ran a bunch of stuff into the ground. But, we as conservatives or Republicans (I have to be careful, they are different now, sort of how I am a liberal but not a Democrat?) attached ourselves and many many votes (in post election polls) pointed out that we voted him in on "family values". Easy to read bite, and with good connotations.

I was also referred to as a communist because I questioned a guy at a gunstore about his zeal for revolution. I asked him what he would do? He goes on a rant, about organizing folks together, yadayadayada, pull those Dumb-o-crats out of office by force. He asked me what I am going to do. I said I dont believe in armed revolution, much to his dismay. He started on a rant about blood and tree of liberty (add violence or simple images to anything, folks will jump on it, just look at "Change" in the last election). I asked him if he understood the implications, legal and mental, of killing someone. I asked him simply if he understood what his actions would do to our cause right now and even his family. Communist piece of (explitive deleted) was his reply.

We tend to use buzzwords to decribe things we dont like. Not all, but some folks do and it ruins our position. High road debate and conversations using logic can help, but I do not see that anymore. We are about 1 original post, then 5 pages of buzzwords now days. This is just what I have seen, a simple observation. Don't believe me? Look through the politics forum and read.

Yes, there is the issue of using buzzwords. But, there is SOME fact to the words being used. Two sides on this, both are true and have validity. That is why I agree with Public Servant. We have become kneejerk reactionaries (instead of political and logical revolutionaries) that point out problems, yet offer no solutions other than a buzzword filled rant about Obama, or socialism, or liberalism (that is the exact reason I dislike Limbaugh, but like Beck, he offers a solution concept). Organize good thoughts. Organize your speeches. Organize yourself. Intellect backed with intelligence bolstered with the force of God's own thunder. Not hateful speeches/signs coupled with sound byte style intellect. We are MUCH better than that!

 

[Fletch]

Commie.

(sorry, couldn't resist )

I agree with you that this is a tendency. I disagree that it invalidates the premise that the vast majority of the green movement is at the very least synergistically intertwined with those who promote collectivism in its various forms.

Are there non-leftist greenies? Of course there are, but they are generally identified as "conservationists" as opposed to "environmentalists".

 

[rambone]

A couple articles on the Green movement in Europe formed by Communists

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Red Lies in Green Clothes

One year after Chernobyl, Mikhail Gorbachev announced the creation of “Green Cross International”, an organisation whose president he is still today. It is fighting for the worldwide adoption of the “Earth Charter”, a document drafted in close cooperation with the Rockefellers. Torsten Mann shows in his new book that the real aim of this charter is promoting world communism under the new “global sustainable community” label.

The Politics of the Environment: Ideas, Activism, Policy

The Greens benefited from the political vacuum on the left of the German party system. The SPD - the leading left-wing political party - shifted to the centre after a series of electoral defeats in the 1950s. As the dominant party in government between 1969 and 1982 it largely eschewed its socialist roots, to the despair of NSM activists. Consequently, in the absence of a communist party the Greens were able to fill the space to the left of the SPD by offering a new home to a sizable constituency of disenfranchised leftists.