Embattled St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner Resigns!

[actaeon277]

 

[Leadeye]

Businesses just need to leave, no gasoline, groceries, anything unless you go well outside city limits.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Businesses just need to leave, no gasoline, groceries, anything unless you go well outside city limits.

Agreed. She’s trying to compare apples and oranges. Bars can easily be held responsible for mayhem. It’s caused by over serving, etc.

But what the hell is a convenient store doing to contribute to the crime? Other than selling booze and allowing on site consumption and loitering, I can’t think of anything that caused them to be encouraging, violent crime.

 

[blain]

Deputizing convenience/gas workers. Sounds like a solid plan to reduce police funding.
Two birds with one stone.

 

[KellyinAvon]

When, catching, prosecuting, and jailing criminals is too hard… It’s much easier to punish the businesses.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Agreed. She’s trying to compare apples and oranges. Bars can easily be held responsible for mayhem. It’s caused by over serving, etc.

But what the hell is a convenient store doing to contribute to the crime? Other than selling booze and allowing on site consumption and loitering, I can’t think of anything that caused them to be encouraging, violent crime.

That's what they've wanted to do here in Indy. I think it was a Shell station around 30th and Meridian maybe(?) that they were wanting to blame for the crimes that kept happening there.

 

[KLB]

Agreed. She’s trying to compare apples and oranges. Bars can easily be held responsible for mayhem. It’s caused by over serving, etc.

But what the hell is a convenient store doing to contribute to the crime? Other than selling booze and allowing on site consumption and loitering, I can’t think of anything that caused them to be encouraging, violent crime.

Bars are no more responsible than gas stations. Businesses should not be blamed for people doing stupid ****.

 

[printcraft]

Bars are no more responsible than gas stations. Businesses should not be blamed for people doing stupid ****.

You can’t blame the people!
Their lack of self control is clearly someone else’s fault!!!

 

[Cameramonkey]

Bars are no more responsible than gas stations. Businesses should not be blamed for people doing stupid ****.

I respectfully disagree. But ONLY on the over-serving angle. And in most places, I believe there are already laws in place regarding that.

 

[Ark]

Bars are no more responsible than gas stations. Businesses should not be blamed for people doing stupid ****.

Broad Ripple is **** now precisely because the city closed down the old bars that the trash hung out at and they simply migrated to new bars.

Guns cause violence. Bars cause violence. Racism causes violence. Poverty causes violence. Everything is to blame for these people except the individuals doing violence.

 

[rosejm]

Make Roof Koreans Great Again!

 

[blain]

You can’t blame the people!
Their lack of self control is clearly someone else’s fault!!!

 

[BugI02]

Could that mayor be prosecuted for favoritism? Is she not wanting to prosecute the real criminals because they are friends and supporters?

 

[KMaC]

That's what they've wanted to do here in Indy. I think it was a Shell station around 30th and Meridian maybe(?) that they were wanting to blame for the crimes that kept happening there.

Indianapolis has threatened to close several businesses under the label of public nuisance. Their position is that the business has a legal obligation to trespass customers that are problems- loitering, public intox, dealing drugs, prostitution...
BP station at 38th & Fall Creek, budget motels at Washington/Arlington or on Binford Blvd all had fights, prostitution and shootings. City took motels' business licenses and eventually had buildings sold or demolished.
BP took some pre-emptive actions that satisfied the City since BP had the finances to fight them as long as it wanted.
Allowing problem people to congregate during business hours is different than KC or St. Louis trying to force businesses to provide security after business hours to protect trespassers that congregate in parking lots to drink, argue and shoot each other.

 

[Leadeye]

No businesses means no taxes to collect, no taxes means the city can't pay it's bills and it's bonds devalue. Welcome to Haiti.

 

[Shadow01]

I support all businesses leaving all urban social utopias. I also support walling these utopias up permanently, escape from NY style.

 

[Ark]

Indianapolis has threatened to close several businesses under the label of public nuisance. Their position is that the business has a legal obligation to trespass customers that are problems- loitering, public intox, dealing drugs, prostitution...
BP station at 38th & Fall Creek, budget motels at Washington/Arlington or on Binford Blvd all had fights, prostitution and shootings. City took motels' business licenses and eventually had buildings sold or demolished.
BP took some pre-emptive actions that satisfied the City since BP had the finances to fight them as long as it wanted.
Allowing problem people to congregate during business hours is different than KC or St. Louis trying to force businesses to provide security after business hours to protect trespassers that congregate in parking lots to drink, argue and shoot each other.

If only we had loitering laws so those parking lot zombies could be cleared out with a phone call and a siren blip.

 

[Creedmoor]

I respectfully disagree. But ONLY on the over-serving angle. And in most places, I believe there are already laws in place regarding that.

Yep, when was the last time it was reported that Indiana's Dram Shop Laws were enforced?

 

[BigRed]

Meanwhile, Indianapolis antes up to catch up with St Louis in the race to the bottom...

You might soon be paying an annual fee for owning property downtown. Here's why

The Indianapolis City-County Council will propose levying a new fee on downtown property owners to pay for public safety and clean-up efforts.

www.indystar.com

 

[KLB]

I respectfully disagree. But ONLY on the over-serving angle. And in most places, I believe there are already laws in place regarding that.

You honestly think the people "over-served" are the ones creating these problems? Someone falling down drunk isn't getting into a lot of fights.

What is over-served anyway? Is the bar forcing drinks on someone? Feeding them drinks they didn't order?This is one of those "something needs to be done!" laws. Blame the establishment instead of the person.