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    ...or:

    "What Happens When the Nanny State is Allowed to Get Stuck on Full Retard in Stupidville...A Cautionary Tale"


    This one's gonna be a long one, folks, so you might wanna get yourself comfortable for a really long ride*..!

    *(Which is *exactly* what I said to her..! :grabass: ;))

    :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:...



    Part 1:

    As noted by my Location and as I have mentioned before in various posts, I live in Japan and train in Aikido and Iaido. One of my Iaido buds (Japanese) has his shotgun and rifle license and I am an honorary member of a group he shoots with. These guys are all big fans of the U.S. military and they gather 3 times a year to camp at the West (Mt.) Fuji Shooting Range. This weekend was the first one of the year, and because I left my license in the local Post Office on Friday (I think the clerk forgot to hand it back...) I asked to ride with my friend since I can't drive my own ride w/out my license.

    Ironically, I filmed some video of me talking about Japan's guns laws and what it takes to get one's gun license in Japan. This is a project I have had several abortive starts in doing (both making the video, and going through the process myself, more on that later...) because I have not been satisfied :noway: with the footage I've taken so far. A fun time as had by all...until we got to my friend's place. Because the cops are exactly as I will illustrate below, he stopped by his place to put his guns and ammo back in their safes (Ammo & guns must be locked up separately) before dropping me off. With no place to park right by his apartment (common in the major cities) he parking on the street, put his hazards on, and ran his toys upstairs. He came back with his wife in tow and I exchanged pleasantries before they took some of his camping gear up stairs. About 30 seconds after he went upstairs again, a cop car came from behind and pulled over in front of my friend's car.

    A cop immediately jumped out and started walking toward me. He walked behind the car as my friend returned, and I gestured to the cop to talk to my friend, not me. Knowing how they are, my friend told him exactly what we were doing, that he was a legally licensed gun owner and that he was putting them up before dropping me off. This was not good enough so the cop asked to be allowed to poke around the car. My friend reluctantly said OK.

    Let me head off some of the nonsense about this point before I continue. In theory, the Japanese Police cannot randomly search people without: 1) reasonable suspicion that a crime is in progress (temporarily parking to unload a vehicle is neither a crime nor an infraction); 2) a search warrant or; 3) permission/consent of the person or owner of the property to be searched. That's the theory..., in PRACTICE the cops can and WILL detain you on the spot until you get tired of their BS and give in to their "request" for a "voluntary" search. If it takes hours, so be it....they can pass you off to the next shift, and the courts will NOT suppress evidence even if it was uncovered through an illegal search. My friend has gone through this exact same thing before and knew that it is best to play along to get them on their way. Therefore, there is no point in anyone saying, "Well you shoulda :blahblah: :rolleyes: ... (done something that is based on U.S. law, or even what Japanese law technically says subjects can do to protect their illusory 'rights')", because I ain't in Kansas, Toto. :nono: The above is the reality here/just the way it is, and it is not going to change until a hell of a lot more people demand that the Japanese Police strictly adhere to the letter as well as the spirit of the law in the performance of their duties, so there is no point in saying I/we should have demanded the police get a search warrant, etc.

    My friend said OK to make them have a nice warm fuzzy feeling, but things went south when Officer Friendly came to the passenger side door to talk with me... :@ya:
     

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    I hate threads like these... I never have enough popcorn.

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    So now they cut off your internet access??

    No...*I* cut off my Internet access...Had to get some sleep... :drool:

    Part 2: Taking a Leek...

    Officer Friendly motioned for me to open the door, which I did only because the car was turned off and I couldn't use the power windows. He asked if he could search me, and I responded with, "Do you have a search warrant specifically for me?" That answer went over about well as a fart in a crowded elevator. He asked me to "voluntarily cooperate" which means "Let me do whatever I want to regardless of your rights or the actual wording/limits of the Police Execution of Duties Law, and
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    ...to waste your time playing chicken:poop: games". Again different country, so different rule of the games/modus operandi. We went back and forth about how "voluntary" a "voluntary" (sic) search is 'til my friend advised that I play along to get it over with. The cop asked me if I had anything dangerous in my pants (yeah baby...my love snake! :D ). I played stupid/'Private don't know, Sir' :dunno: so he asked my to empty my pockets.

    I was wearing 5.11 Taclite Pro pants...5.11 representing the approximate number of pockets in millions that they seem to have :n00b:. I showed him some of what I had (keys, nail clippers, thermonuclear device, eye drops...my EDC stuff) answered his questions as best I could, and he seemed happy after my show of cooperating. I let him look at some of my stuff, gave him my Gaijin card (AKA my "green card". Foreigners MUST show upon request, no Probable Cause is necessary, looking "foreign" is sufficient PC to get carded), and said we were on our way home from camping. He seemed satisfied, and took my ID with him and had another cop call my info in. He looked around a bit in the back of my friend's car and the back seat and under the mats/center console etc. then shut the door, leaving me in the dark. I used the chance to remove a piece of..artwork from one of the pockets and slid it under a mat that had already been checked...then I placed some of the things I had already showed to him back into my front pocket. He saw my hand in my pocket from the rear passenger side and came around to pay me another visit... :rolleyes:

    More of his homies showed up (eventually about 10 cops and 3 cars came to deal with two guys just trying to get home and go to bed, no doubt they felt the need for extra troops to deal with an evil foreign devil! ;)), and the stupid human tricks started all over again. They asked me to get out of the car, which I did at my friends urging/assurance that it would be OK. I showed the stuff I had already shown them plus two empty/fired shotgun cases. They didn't bat an eye at that, but then a different cop patted my cargo pockets down and put a death grip on what he had found.

    He asked me what it was, and I had a good idea, but I had so much stuff for the days activities (a couple of butane lighters, earplugs, gloves, etc.) that I couldn't be sure, nor could I remove the item until he let go, but this is where he got brain-locked on Stupid for about 3 minutes as I tried to explain this to him. Finally after repeating countless times that I can't show him what he has until he lets go of it ("We have to pass the bill to see what's in it..!" I guess I owe Numbskull Nancy a royalty check or something...:rolleyes:) I figured out which pocket it was in and pulled out my assisted-opener Kershaw Leek... :eek:


    ...handed it to him, and the hilarity ensued.

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    If Japan is anything like Thailand you should have just pulled out a wad of cash, handed it to the cop, and gone on your merry way.

    That would work about as well, or even less so than calling his mother a whore that paid me to give her a Dirty Sanchez because he loves the foreign meat so much...

    Japan is not a third-world :poop:-hole where every cop is on the take, quite the opposite in fact. Much like the Samurai's sense of duty and devotion to their Daimyo/Lord/clan, Japanese Police officers pride themselves on their sense of duty to their co-workers, the police force as an institution, and society as a whole. But unlike the Samurai, you can insult them personally and they'll brush it off as part of the territory. However, if you insult their sense of duty/incorruptibility, you're not gonna have a good time... :nono: :n00b: :nuts: :facepalm: :nono:
     
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    That would work about as well, or even less so than calling his mother a whore that paid me to give her a Dirty Sanchez because he loves the foreign meat so much...

    Japan is not a third-world :poop:-hole where every cop is on the take, quite the opposite in fact. Japanese Police officers pride themselves on their sense of duty to society as a whole, much like the Samurai of old. But unlike the Samurai, you can insult them personally and they'll brush it off as part of the territory. However, if you insult their sense of duty/incorruptibility, you're not gonna have a good time... :nono: :n00b: :nuts: :facepalm: :nono:

    If they are going to act third world by refusing to follow the law I would rather be able to bribe them. It sounds like they are picking and choosing how to be honorable.
     
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    Part 3: Taking another leak, and leaving a little extra...

    Having handed over my entire-planet-slaughtering Kershaw with its whopping 2.8~3 inch blade,

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    I again repeated that we had just came straight back from camping and were going straight home. Unfortunately for me, Mother-May-I of the Nanny State has deemed that carrying a blade longer than 6 centimeters on one's person "without a justifiable reason" is illegal. :rolleyes: And of course self-defense is not "a justifiable reason". :xmad:

    As I explained to Johnny Raw, I just had it in my pocket around the campsite and just forgot to put it back in my backpack before we got on the road. They then asked more about me, where I was from, hometown, etc. and my friend (who was getting seriously p:xmad::xmad::xmad:-ed by this time), mentioned the fact that I am a Marine veteran :patriot: and had served on Okinawa. He even told them, "As a Marine he/they did more to protect Japan (from China, North Korea, etc.) than even our own Self Defense Forces can do!" This caused one of the younger officers to mention that he used to work around Yokosuka, and liked the U.S. military, so that helped bring down the tension of everyone, and we chatted on more friendly terms. However, around the time that seemed to please the crowd and my gaijin card was handed back, Big Brother decided that I should go to the local police station and 'splain this all over again to a detective, and possibly be strip-searched.

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    ...Oh Joy!!

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    Having drank coffee earlier, I asked if I could go drain the lizard, but they said the place was fairly close, so one cop jumped in the back seat of my friend's Land Cruiser, and we followed the cop car that had parked in front of us to the district cop shop. Again they do things different here, and in some ways it is better/less A-holeish than what an American LEO would be willing or allowed to do. I wasn't cuffed and stuffed, wasn't even given a full pat down, nor was my friend's car towed unlike what would likely happen in a similar situation in the States.

    We got there and they had me bring my backpack up to the second floor. I noticed that my friend locked his car and the po-po did not use the fact that we were not out of traffic to do a more detailed search of his SUV, fortunately. Again I asked to take care of business, but being the giving sort, I now wanted/needed to drop off a few presents :poop: for the wonderful treatment I was enjoying...:D Officer Friendly once again groped the same pockets he had before and even felt up the ankles of my jungle boots for anything else. I told him I had nothing else and I just needed to take a dump to get rid of a three-day backlog, so he let me shut the floor-to-1 foot-shy-of-the-ceiling stall door and stink up the place. This one was a double-flush job :toilet2: :toilet2:... I had acquired a couple pieces of newly fired .30-06 brass earlier in the day, but I misplaced them somehow...no idea where they ended up :whistle:...

    I washed my hands both literally, and figuratively regarding my fate, and followed them into the interview room. Not seeing any cabinets labelled "Rubber Hoses, pliers, bamboo skewers" I sat and a plain-clothes guy came in introduced himself and had me briefly run through/confirm what he had already been told, while I assume the did the same w/ my friend in the main office area.

    A different detective came in and said he wanted to take my picture. Even though I wasn't sure if they were going to arrest me or not, me being the incurable Smart-ass that I am :D :laugh: :D, asked if a pose like this was OK:

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    (not me...a random net pic. I am MUCH prettier than this man!! :D)


    Man I really do crack myself up sometimes...! :lmfao::laugh: :laugh6::p:laugh6: :laugh: :lmfao:

    He chuckled and said 'No, just stand there', took the pic:gotpics: and a close up (hope he got my good side! :drama:) and made a copy of my foreigner registration card (AKA the Gaijin card I mentioned before)

    I took some of my stuff out of my pockets expecting to get the rubber glove treatment, but the detective(?) stopped me and had me sit and relax and got me a cup of water. Officer Friendly came in and went through my pack and found a cased Leatherman Wave that I had honestly forgot about because didn't use it all weekend. He gave me some grief for not fessing up about this one as well, opened it up, looked at the blades, then lectured me about how my Leatherman was good enough for camping and I didn't need (there's that word again...:xmad:) to have the other knife
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    with me. I guess he has never heard of the "two is one, one is NONE" principle, or was just quite the Leatherman fan. He walked out and after a bit the younger Yokosuka guy came in and reminded me to put my toys up after playing with them and to not carry them in my pockets after I leave the campsite. They placed my Leatherman back in its case, the Leek beside it and handed me back my stuff. I said I understood, apologized :rolleyes: (so much of Japan's social interaction is like a martial arts kata, follow the standard pattern and you will end up exactly where you want to be whether you give it your all or do it half-assed because the basic foot work doesn't change...) and rejoined my friend and they escorted us back down to the first floor entrance. We got into the car and rode off into the moonset (this whole fiasco started about 10:20PM and we were cut loose about 11:50), and to freedom...? (I almost expect to get a knock on the door saying they changed their minds... :nailbite:)
     
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    Lessons Learned:

    For me, none..really...

    But the money-shot for this entire post/thread is the following: This IS where America will end up if each and every one of us as gun-owners (or ex-gun owners...arrow to the knee...boating accident..a most unfortunate loss... A story for a later time... ;)) does not fight tooth and nail against each and every useless gun control/Nanny State law that the Protectionist self-appointed do-gooders dig out from the foulest reaches of their evil entrails to foist upon the law-abiding citizenry. It used to be perfectly legal for anyone to carry short swords/wakizashi (only the Samurai could carry a Katana/Tachi) and/or pistols even as 'recently' as the early 1900's, but now they freak the freak out over a blade longer than 6cm...

    My incident and what has happened/is happening in the UK illustrates what the end game looks like; a Mother-May-I, Protectionist Nanny State where you have NO RIGHT to carry anything the government deems is BAAAAAAADD! for the sheeple :sheep:, NO RIGHT to any truly reliable an effective means of self defense, and where the police can and do operate with virtual impunity to stop, search, question and detain anyone as they see fit with little recourse against them for violating your rights to be free of unreasonable search and seizure.

    Luckily for me, here in Japan, the police force's/officer's performance is not judged by how many arrests they can rack up...quite the opposite. They view the fact that an arrest has to be made as a failure to prevent a crime from occurring in the first place! Thus for example, if there is a spike in arrests for car thefts, the police officers will not be praised for catching so many car thieves, but instead may be criticized for not doing enough to prevent it by way of increased patrols in high risk areas, greater public awareness campaigns to both the victim (Lock your Car!) and potential thieves (penalty awareness, "we are looking for you" messages etc.) Therefore, the cops here will go to what, by U.S. standards, are truly extraordinary lengths to avoid putting people in jail, which makes sense because most people are good and true justice is not served by putting everybody and their dog in jail for honest mistakes.

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    ...for now..!

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    Thanks for the story. As much as I am fascinated by Japan its strange history, I had no idea they were that strict about guns/knives. You're correct, we are headed that direction unless everyone fights.
     
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