Since criminals don't fare well in court for attacking or causing harm to anyone, it must be the radio.
I must start carrying a radio now too. How do I get a police radio?
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Since criminals don't fare well in court for attacking or causing harm to anyone, it must be the radio.
I must start carrying a radio now too. How do I get a police radio?
I dont care which way anyone carrys. I have my opinion formed from my history and background as you guys have yours. For me I have been taught to look for the obvious threat first. Maybe i dont have "stories" to illustrate this as some of you would like, but if i limit myself to only certain situations then im risking myself and my family.
Since criminals don't fare well in court for attacking or causing harm to anyone, it must be the radio.
I must start carrying a radio now too. How do I get a police radio?
Thanks. I don't know everything and it's a well written article but I just don't agree.
Uh, no, I'm not a troll.
Ok, I'll admit, I could have worded my thoughts better. Sorry to all offended.
I've taken some pretty hard hits on here for not reading or posting "the open carry argument". Also I'm getting beat up for being a troll. I'm a big boy and I can take it but you who are pointing out my flaws could have also done a little research in my posting history and you would see that I'm just your average poster. Hell, I don't even come here that often.
"Common Sense" is such an abused phrase
Dude, there are other forums online that would be a better fit for you. I've long since given up trying to convince open carry advocates here that it is "not the best means of carry". In my experience, most of the people who OC do it for recognition or to be stopped on the street and to be asked why they carry, etc. I meet very few OC'ers who actually get out and take a training class, or who are really very switched on in the first place. And of the 100's of people I've met at training classes, I can't recall one that OC's as a primary means of carry, including the instructors.
So when are you doing this? Are you knocking over banks? Robbing gas stations? Holding up convenience stores? I'm guessing not. You likely aren't a thug so what is your point?
Is this typical training that the common criminal receives before they begin their crime career? Are they trained to look for the OCer or "threat" and take them out?
If this is so common, if this training is so prevalent, why don't we read about it? Ever?
Is it so hard for you to believe that maybe, just maybe, the common criminal sees a gun and alters his plan; picks another target or waits a while rather than running up to the OCer and blowing his head off. Threat removed!
Dude, there are other forums online that would be a better fit for you. I've long since given up trying to convince open carry advocates here that it is "not the best means of carry". In my experience, most of the people who OC do it for recognition or to be stopped on the street and to be asked why they carry, etc. I meet very few OC'ers who actually get out and take a training class, or who are really very switched on in the first place. And of the 100's of people I've met at training classes, I can't recall one that OC's as a primary means of carry, including the instructors.
Their two arguments are:
"Faster draw w/ OC"....From concealed AIWB, I can draw and get my first shot off in under a second. AIWB is fast and allows me to conceal carry.
"Open carry can cause a crime not to happen", They say that, but I've yet to see that proof. It's speculation, just like saying you'll be the first one shot if they see you have a gun. To me, there are other ways of presenting yourself as a hard target without having to have your gun on displayed for the world to see (making eye contact, looking around, walking tall, don't be on a cell phone, etc). Both have some amount of common sense behind it, but like you originally said, the benefits of concealed carry far outweigh the benefits of open carry.
Dude, there are other forums online that would be a better fit for you. I've long since given up trying to convince open carry advocates here that it is "not the best means of carry". In my experience, most of the people who OC do it for recognition or to be stopped on the street and to be asked why they carry, etc. I meet very few OC'ers who actually get out and take a training class, or who are really very switched on in the first place. And of the 100's of people I've met at training classes, I can't recall one that OC's as a primary means of carry, including the instructors.
Their two arguments are:
"Faster draw w/ OC"....From concealed AIWB, I can draw and get my first shot off in under a second. AIWB is fast and allows me to conceal carry.
"Open carry can cause a crime not to happen", They say that, but I've yet to see that proof. It's speculation, just like saying you'll be the first one shot if they see you have a gun. To me, there are other ways of presenting yourself as a hard target without having to have your gun on displayed for the world to see (making eye contact, looking around, walking tall, don't be on a cell phone, etc). Both have some amount of common sense behind it, but like you originally said, the benefits of concealed carry far outweigh the benefits of open carry.
Here is some fun homework for everyone. Do some research as to why and how we got the need for all these damn licenses and permits. It wasn't because of the Open Carriers back in the day I can tell you that.
I realize we live a "free society" where folks (like me) have many and varied opinions. I know what I'm going to say will make some angry. I'm, frankly, past caring.
I carry concealed everyday, most recently with my M&P Shield in my new G-Code Incog holster. I consider it a responsibility, not unlike carrying insurance, in order to protect my family, myself and those around me - there are a lot of bad, bad people out there. Just lately I've seen more open carry folks while I'm out and about than I've seen in all my life. I sort of understand the thinking but I just think it's dumb.
To me, whether we can or can't open carry isn't even part of the issue. If you are not a member of law enforcement and you're open carrying, IMHO, your losing the element of surprise and potentially inviting trouble where it other wise wouldn't be. I've thought about this for quite a while. The positives for allowing others to know without a doubt that you are armed doesn't even come close to the negatives.
And I'm just going to say it, if you happen to be one of those people who feel big and think you are gaining respect of others because you have your weapon out there, no offense intended, grow up please.
Is this typical training that the common criminal receives before they begin their crime career? Are they trained to look for the OCer or "threat" and take them out?
If this is so common, if this training is so prevalent, why don't we read about it? Ever?