Carrying at a school sporting event not being held on school grounds

[Mr. Habib]

Didn't the whole used for a school function part of the IC get repealed a couple of years ago? The newest version that I can find doesn't mention it.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Didn't the whole used for a school function part of the IC get repealed a couple of years ago? The newest version that I can find doesn't mention it.

To my recollection, it did. I know there was some talk about exclusive use of an area, but I don't see that right now. The only thing I found was:
IC 20-33-8-5
"School property"
Sec.5.
As used in this chapter,"school property" means the following:
(1) A building or other structure owned or rented by a school corporation.
(2) The grounds adjacent to and owned or rented in common with a building or other structure owned or rented by a school corporation.

Anyone have more?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Mr. Habib]

All I could find was IC 35-47-9 where the part about a school function had been removed.

 

[actaeon277]

And discussions like this are why I tell people that most gun laws just create "accidental criminals".
Not knocking you guys.
I'm knocking the process that makes things so convoluted that people don't know where or when they can carry, shoot, etc.

 

[Roadie]

Also curious why an Empty Holster is a "dick move"..

 

[actaeon277]

I have a lot of empty holsters.
What does that mean?

 

[mrortega]

This is what I love about INGO.



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Now which one of you two is entirely wrong?

Obviously Mr. Habib is wrong and should be kicked out of INGO, horse whipped and maybe made to perform some sort of ritual desecration on a chicken! But seriously, folks, not only can you normally not carry in a school building you also can't do it at a location of a school function. I.E. you go to a park and one of the shelter houses is being rented for a class trip or some officially sanctioned school event. You can't carry there.

 

[eldirector]

Sounds like it comes down to the definition of "rent" and "structure".

If a school team is playing a game at the park, are they "renting" the field? Is that field considered a "structure"?

Yeah, the IC dropped the whole "school function" thing, but didn't really clear this up any. From the sound of it, nothing really changed. If a school rents a building/structure for an event, all of the property adjacent to the building is now school property. So, rent a shelter house at Turkey Run, and the entire park is now a school?

 

[Mr. Habib]

Indiana Code 2014 - Indiana General Assembly, 2015 Session

 

[eldirector]

https://iga.in.gov/legislative/laws/2015/ic/titles/035/articles/047/chapters/009/

 

[Mr. Habib]

If the school function takes place on school property it's a no go. If the school owns or rents the building that building is now considered school property.
If the activity takes place somewhere else you can carry. The problem is knowing if a school has rented a venue for an event or not.

 

[lonehoosier]

Senate Bill 229 fixed the whole roaming school zone.

"school property meansa building or other structure owned or rented by a school that is beingused exclusively by the school for a school function and does notinclude parking lots adjacent to and owned or rented in common withthe building or other structure"

Bump

 

[singlemalt]

It would be a lot better for all of the unintentional criminals if we just did away with "gun free zones" period. But of course I'm preaching to the choir.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Senate Bill 229 fixed the whole roaming school zone.

"school property meansa building or other structure owned or rented by a school that is beingused exclusively by the school for a school function and does notinclude parking lots adjacent to and owned or rented in common withthe building or other structure"

Jay, where did that text appear? I didn't see it in the enrolled version of SEA 229 (2014)

I remember it being part of the discussion, I just don't see it in the final version of the bill/act.

 

[TheSpark]

If the school function takes place on school property it's a no go. If the school owns or rents the building that building is now considered school property.
If the activity takes place somewhere else you can carry. The problem is knowing if a school has rented a venue for an event or not.

IANAL (this is my understanding of current law, please do not consider this fact) but I do not believe this is the case anymore. The property is either owned by a school (school as defined in the law) or is not. If it is then its a no-go. If it isn't then you are good to go. I do not believe renting a place or holding any sort of event at other locations makes it a no-go.

The only "roaming" school zone anymore is a school bus

https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/bills/senate/229#document-66663bcd <---Enacted bill which was the last to deal with schools that I know of. Doesn't cover any sort of rented property so since the law is silent on that it is not illegal.

 

[eldirector]

The issue is that the CURRENT IC (posed up-thread) specifically says "rent".

What I don't yet understand is if that means "rent, like renting a house/apartment", or "rent, like renting a shelter house at the park".

If the latter, the only thing that has really changed is the "rolling school zone" issue. Property still becomes "school property" the moment a school rents/leases/borrows it for any purpose at all.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Obviously Mr. Habib is wrong and should be kicked out of INGO, horse whipped and maybe made to perform some sort of ritual desecration on a chicken! But seriously, folks, not only can you normally not carry in a school building you also can't do it at a location of a school function. I.E. you go to a park and one of the shelter houses is being rented for a class trip or some officially sanctioned school event. You can't carry there.

Wrong again!

 

[Redhorse]

I kinda wondered that also, Miguel.

People with Students for Concealed Carry on Campus have been doing "empty holster protests" on college campuses for quite a while. I don't know how effective that tactic has been, but more places are "not forbidding" the practice of carry there since those started, if OCDO maps are any indication. I'm just not sure if those protests nudged the change or if people are slowly coming to their senses after such events as Va Tech, or if it's a combination of both, and maybe still other factors.

http://apps.opencarry.org/images/collegecarrymap.png

The empty holster, as I see it, is saying, "I'm one of the good guys... I would have been here to help if some disillusioned assbag decided to do harm, but I'm forbidden to do so by law." It was designed as a form of protest for people to get an idea of, "oh. HE carries? Huh. I'd not have guessed that. But that's cool-he's always been such a good student, etc." It was supposed to challenge people's perceptions.

And of course... no one needs a license to carry a holster.

Blessings,
Bill

I was just about to bring up the SCC empty holster protest myself. It's been quite effective considering there's not much else we can do.

 

[WestSider]

It would be a lot better for all of the unintentional criminals if we just did away with "gun free zones" period. But of course I'm preaching to the choir.

Amen. Do away with the gun free zones.

 

[Tactically Fat]

The issue is that the CURRENT IC (posed up-thread) specifically says "rent".

What I don't yet understand is if that means "rent, like renting a house/apartment", or "rent, like renting a shelter house at the park".

If the latter, the only thing that has really changed is the "rolling school zone" issue. Property still becomes "school property" the moment a school rents/leases/borrows it for any purpose at all.

The further sticky wicket when it comes to this is...does it mean the ENTIRE property? Say a high school science club rents a shelter at a local state park. That doesn't mean the entire park is off limits... Just the shelter (and maybe immediate grounds surrounding)

Now if it were a specific venue where the entirety of the property were included - say a Lion's club (and associated small playground), I would definitely say that "yes, the entire Lion's Club property" would be a no-go.

A school renting a ballroom at a big hotel doesn't make the entire hotel a no-go zone. Just the rooms rented. That's an easy one, though, because there are more definite borders to a ballroom. The restrooms in that wing of the hotel, though, would be "ok" as long as they weren't reserved for the party-goers alone.