ATF just announced they consider FRT to be Machine Guns

[rebase]

Steppers are going to keep stepping. And making arbitrary rulings

 

[Gabriel]

I like how it doesn't specify which triggers they have determined are "firearms" or "machine guns", but would like anyone that thinks they might own one to contact them.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I got that same email today. It seems to be directed at those devices like people are buying/making to turn Glocks (and other guns) into full-auto. Binary triggers aren't included.

 

[1nderbeard]

I got that same email today. It seems to be directed at those devices like people are buying/making to turn Glocks (and other guns) into full-auto. Binary triggers aren't included.

Not saying I have one, but If I did, I would say Binary Triggers would be much better at putting a smile on one's face.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Not saying I have one, but If I did, I would say Binary Triggers would be much better at putting a smile on one's face.

I had one accidentally once. It's what happens when you don't tighten down the little allen screws on a drop in AR trigger enough. Scared the crap outta me the first couple of shots until I figured out what was happening!

 

[Tombs]

I had one accidentally once. It's what happens when you don't tighten down the little allen screws on a drop in AR trigger enough. Scared the crap outta me the first couple of shots until I figured out what was happening!

I had one heck of a ride with a 450 bushmaster once. Some loctite that timney used to secure the screws in the trigger had apparently gotten on the sear. This resulted in it doubling on me until I found the cause and cleaned it out.

My shoulder was pretty sore for awhile, but hearing 2 450 shots land on steel like an echo was quite a thing to behold.

 

[rebase]

I got that same email today. It seems to be directed at those devices like people are buying/making to turn Glocks (and other guns) into full-auto. Binary triggers aren't included.

This is not targeted at glock autosears. Those are already machine guns. Todays letter is about forced reset triggers. (Rare breed comes to mind) Vague enough not to name any brand specifically but specific enough to engage scary lawsuits as they desire.

 

[HiRoller]

I had one heck of a ride with a 450 bushmaster once. Some loctite that timney used to secure the screws in the trigger had apparently gotten on the sear. This resulted in it doubling on me until I found the cause and cleaned it out.

My shoulder was pretty sore for awhile, but hearing 2 450 shots land on steel like an echo was quite a thing to behold.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

This is not targeted at glock autosears. Those are already machine guns. Todays letter is about forced reset triggers. (Rare breed comes to mind) Vague enough not to name any brand specifically but specific enough to engage scary lawsuits as they desire.

I thought those still didn't allow a single pull of the trigger to fire multiple rounds?

 

[Angrysauce]

I thought those still didn't allow a single pull of the trigger to fire multiple rounds?

Oh so the ATF is arbitrarily interpreting rules to make people criminals after the fact? That would never happen.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Oh so the ATF is arbitrarily interpreting rules to make people criminals after the fact? That would never happen.

As much as I dislike them, their definition of a machine gun has always included the ability to fire multiple rounds with a single pull of the trigger. Clearly, binary triggers and bumpstocks don't fit that definition. Does the Rare Breed trigger allow that? Or is it just another binary trigger? That was my question. In other words, if you pull the Rare Breed trigger back and hold it, does the gun continue to fire without releasing it? If not, then it's not a "machine gun".

 

[ancjr]

I had a cheap parts kit that the disconnector would randomly stick. I took it out of the rifle at the range and threw the parts away in a random wooded area.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Now that I think about it, if your car can tell you that your door is a jar, then I guess the ATF can tell you your trigger is a machine gun.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

As much as I dislike them, their definition of a machine gun has always included the ability to fire multiple rounds with a single pull of the trigger. Clearly, binary triggers and bumpstocks don't fit that definition. Does the Rare Breed trigger allow that? Or is it just another binary trigger? That was my question. In other words, if you pull the Rare Breed trigger back and hold it, does the gun continue to fire without releasing it? If not, then it's not a "machine gun".

I think the difference hinges on the fact that with binary triggers, the shooter has to manipulate his/her trigger finger to fire and release the trigger between shots. With a Rare Breed FRT, the trigger mechanism forces the shooter’s finger to “release” the trigger before firing again.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I think the difference hinges on the fact that with binary triggers, the shooter has to manipulate his/her trigger finger to fire and release the trigger between shots. With a Rare Breed FRT, the trigger mechanism forces the shooter’s finger to “release” the trigger before firing again.

Thanks GFGT! I'm not familiar with them, so I didn't know. So it's made for guys with wimpy trigger fingers?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Thanks GFGT! I'm not familiar with them, so I didn't know. So it's made for guys with wimpy trigger fingers?

When you define something, especially something that restricts something somebody else wants bad enough, we shouldn’t be surprised when they design a way to get (at close to) what they want while complying with your definition.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Thanks GFGT! I'm not familiar with them, so I didn't know. So it's made for guys with wimpy trigger fingers?

I wasn’t familiar with them either until this all blew up…then I wanted one.

 

[jd4320t]

Looks like they’re still live on the website.

 

[BigRed]

Oh so the ATF is arbitrarily interpreting rules to make people criminals after the fact? That would never happen.

ATF is the scum of scum.....Take an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the united States then spend your entire career doing all you can to shred it.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I wasn’t familiar with them either until this all blew up…then I wanted one.

I was the same way with redheads. Now I've had one for almost 18 years!