Armed Hoosier held at Chicago event

[Bulgy74]

Yes, it would seem that your summation at the end is correct. You left out a lot of clauses- did you carefully read them for anything misleading or wordy or that would negate anything that supports taking one into the city?

So does WI honor our permits?

 

[Bubba]

Most of the clauses I left out were the standard exemptions for carrying of weapons by police, soldiers, private security etcetera. Feel free to examine the link I provided. IANAL, YMMV.

 

[Boilers]

Interesting Chicago Police Superintendent blog page

Blog 501

Several comments have been received regarding the Carbine Training Program and other weapon-related training issues. The Department anticipated very high demand for the carbine program and we planned and prepared accordingly. We knew that it would be a tremendous undertaking to implement. The Firearms Training Unit added instructors, a sergeant and armorers in order to be able to offer the carbine operator's program and quarterly training on a full-time basis. Demand is still greater than available training slots

 

[Boilers]

I just emailed the per the link here: Chicago Police Department - CLEARpath - www.chicagopolice.org

I live in Indiana and want to go Northwest through, but not stop in, Chicago.
What must I do to legally transport my guns through the City of Chicago, via the interstate highway system?
Does it vary if I have a long gun versus handgun versus fully-automatic firearm?
Thanks.

 

[Bulgy74]

Oh no, they just refueled the black helicopters...

 

[Boilers]

I would wager they will not reply.

 

[SC_Shooter]

Good call to send the e-mail. I always give states a call or send something in an e-mail instead of just guessing. Nice call!

Of course, all this speculation and even the confusion among people who are actually reading various laws goes to prove one of my original 2A points...why all these confusing laws in the first place? What is so wrong with just leaving it at the right to keep and bear arms?

No need to point out the obvious, fellow INGOers. I know the reasons people give - even though they are wrong.

 

[aikidoka]

I hope politicians and the usual suspects don't use this to make getting a LTCH in Indiana more expensive by adding required class time onto the bill.

 

[tv1217]

Chicago cops can't(or won't?) pull you over on the Interstate anyway. I've passed them going 90+ mph on 90/94 before

 

[JcJ]

Chicago cops can't(or won't?) pull you over on the Interstate anyway. I've passed them going 90+ mph on 90/94 before

I bet they figured it just isn't worth the hassle anymore..

 

[Boilers]

Chicago cops can't(or won't?) pull you over on the Interstate anyway. I've passed them going 90+ mph on 90/94 before

I lived in Chicago. I got pulled over but no ticket from a CPD officer.

 

[tv1217]

He probably couldn't.

 

[DiamProducer]

I love the comments on the guys pictures, only to find out that his is a LTCH holder. This shows that we cannot judge people by looks alone. The comment about the look on his face looks "gangster" or whatever. Who wouldn't looked pissed off when they were just booked for something they did not understand they were breaking? I know I would. Now is it his fault for carrying in Ill? YES! Does he get sympathy from me, yes and no. I know many people in Anderson that look like this that are the nicest people you would ever meet. Sorry to go on a rant here, but some of those previous comments are ridiculous.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

WOW. You should read the complete first sentence!

"Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof..."

WOW. You should pick up a dictionary.
Websters defines Notwithstanding as despite.

Duhaime defines it as, Notwithstanding:In spite of, even if, without regard to or impediment by other things.
Legal Definition of Notwithstanding

So try reading what you quoted as "Despite any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof..."

Is this how this site works? Questions of gun laws come up and someone will link or quote something he believes supports his incorrect assumption without realizing it's doing the exact opposite? I just hope whoever needs the knowledge actually reads what's put in front of him or her...

At times.

 

[aikidoka]

I love the comments on the guys pictures, only to find out that his is a LTCH holder. This shows that we cannot judge people by looks alone. The comment about the look on his face looks "gangster" or whatever. Who wouldn't looked pissed off when they were just booked for something they did not understand they were breaking? I know I would. Now is it his fault for carrying in Ill? YES! Does he get sympathy from me, yes and no. I know many people in Anderson that look like this that are the nicest people you would ever meet. Sorry to go on a rant here, but some of those previous comments are ridiculous.

As a former coworker once said when there was a slight problem "just blame it on the black guy". He's black, it was hilarious when he said it.

 

[lon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulgy74
WOW. You should read the complete first sentence!

"Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof..."

WOW. You should pick up a dictionary.
Websters defines Notwithstanding as despite.

Duhaime defines it as, Notwithstanding:In spite of, even if, without regard to or impediment by other things.
Legal Definition of Notwithstanding

So try reading what you quoted as "Despite any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof..."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulgy74
Is this how this site works? Questions of gun laws come up and someone will link or quote something he believes supports his incorrect assumption without realizing it's doing the exact opposite? I just hope whoever needs the knowledge actually reads what's put in front of him or her...

Thanks for the clarification Timjoebillybob.Originally thats what I thought it meant, but I was to lazy to look it up in the dictionary.

I guess Bulgy74 hasn't seen your post, or he would probably be back to say thanks also.

 

[mkbar80]

WOW. You should pick up a dictionary.
Websters defines Notwithstanding as despite.

Duhaime defines it as, Notwithstanding:In spite of, even if, without regard to or impediment by other things.
Legal Definition of Notwithstanding

So try reading what you quoted as "Despite any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof..."

Rep for this. I just caught up on this thread today. I thought the exact same thing when I saw that comment about the meaning of "notwithstanding". Told myself I'd link the definition if someone else didn't...you beat me

 

[Isophix]

No sympathy for him, as said above, he should have known better than to go to that crap hole called Chicago armed.

No sympathy for him, as said above, he should have known better than to go to that crap hole called Chicago.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Ramen]

I DO feel sorry for him. The 2nd Amendment is in the Bill of Rights. It supersedes state law. I don't understand why many on this forum expect that anyone who decides to exercise their 2nd Amendment right, memorize each state's gun laws.

Yes, currently in order to avoid jail time we are forced to jump through hoops to do exactly what the Founders said we should do. But these hoops are ridiculous and unconstitutional. We should stand behind someone who was exercising his right to defend himself and his family.

I don't think it smart for gun owners to get into the habit of putting conditions on the 2nd Amendment: "You have the right to bear arms, but only if you memorize every state's gun laws and do x, y, and z"

Should we all go marching over to Illinois and start breaking the current laws? No we should approach the current climate in an intelligent manner. We can't do a whole lot if we are all in jail and have our guns taken away.

Still, wasn't Mr. George doing exactly what he should be able to do?

 

[wally05]

Wow, I'd go after for excessive force also if he was actually "slammed into the ground" as said. Doing reserve work, I'll tell you that if he was cooperating, there's no reason to take him to the ground to cuff him. My wife loves Chicago, but I get po'ed whenever I see stuff like this happening there. The thing is, the city is only so many miles from Indiana's border yet if you cross it into or near the city, this happens.

Chicago's "zero tolerance for criminals" doesn't seem to be helping them out any by the looks of the crime reports and maybe they should apply that to their own department.

I've tried contacting Illinois about their gun laws and about traveling through. It's like contacting the ATF, you get 10 different replies from different people with different answers. Apparently, they can be ignorant of their own law, why is it so awful if one man is ignorant of it?