The Bubba Effect
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Sometimes I agree with you man, but sometimes I think you just like to tear folks down. Whatever you get out of it, I hope it is worth it.
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Sometimes I agree with you man, but sometimes I think you just like to tear folks down. Whatever you get out of it, I hope it is worth it.
And often, medals don't get through the system till after you're out.
Rules change.
Medals are added.
Heck, they're still awarding medals from previous wars.
Rules change.
Medals are added.
Heck, they're still awarding medals from previous wars.
You are assuming the intentions of those who broke the story are honorable. Medals for valor don't just appear.
Not All awards are public, up to and apparently including 2 Navy Crosses awarded during the GWOT. See Article below. Might be the source of "confusion". Can't count the number of DD214 errors I have seen. Bottom line the man was a Hero and we may never get to know all the details.
Navy SEALs secret medals reveal heroism during past 15 years
Navy SEALs secret medals reveal heroism during past 15 years
I have awards that are on my 214 w/o any damn ceremony also. I also have service time and promotions from The Marine Corp w/o "proper" documentation due to long ago circumstances. Anybody that wants to meet up and accuse me of anything is welcome to climb out from behind their keyboard and make an appointment. I'm not dead and can and will defend myself from your petty crap.
Bob
Bob
Sometimes INGO just makes me shake my head in disbelief.
KJQ, no one is taking away from Kyle's accomplishments on the battlefield. But I'm not ready to Saint a guy who is at best a braggart who relies heavily on hyperbole, and at worst an unapologetic murderer (not related to his overseas service).
This makes me want to break out my 214 to see what's on it.
"The difficulty surrounding the discrepancies are compounded by the fact that some of the records in Kyle's file, who was discharged in 2009, were compiled from non-computer based systems earlier in his career, Pau said."
I read this as military-speak for some of the records were paper and might have been lost/misplaced instead of being converted to the computer system. I.e. a government employee might have circular filed some paperwork rather than typing it in. Egads! This is a first! (ummm, the near admission, that is, not the actual happening)
"Pau told CNN. "The form DD214 is generated locally at the command where the service member is separated. Although the information on the DD214 should match the official records, the process involves people and inevitably some errors may occur."
Yes, it's entirely possible the personnel responsible for generating the DD214 were incapable of counting to 1 and 3, respectively, and instead came up with 2 and 5. (buckets of purple)
I read this as military-speak for some of the records were paper and might have been lost/misplaced instead of being converted to the computer system. I.e. a government employee might have circular filed some paperwork rather than typing it in. Egads! This is a first! (ummm, the near admission, that is, not the actual happening)
"Pau told CNN. "The form DD214 is generated locally at the command where the service member is separated. Although the information on the DD214 should match the official records, the process involves people and inevitably some errors may occur."
Yes, it's entirely possible the personnel responsible for generating the DD214 were incapable of counting to 1 and 3, respectively, and instead came up with 2 and 5. (buckets of purple)
One what?
I never recieved one from the Marines as by the time it was mailed, I was in the Army and not living at the address they had mailed it to.
Doesn't mean i didn't do it. Some people have issue with that as I don't have the "proof". Screw 'em. On my retirement form it list me as a Basic Marine with no promotions, awards etc for the over 3 years I was with them. It does credit my time so in the end that's what important I guess.
Bob
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Huh, never knew about this. Appreciate this. This is going to be exciting in a way.
Thanks
Bob
I've seen so many clerical errors it's ridicous. My Enlisted Record Brief had a bunch of holes in it last year, and I had to provide the documents to get them corrected. Mind you, some of those were in another database, but hadn't made it to the ERB, and others were missing altogether. Heck, I've had to update the same mistake on a simple contact roster 4 months in a row before.
The point is, there is obviously an error here, and it's hard to say which way it goes. While DD214's routinely contain errors, I would place more confidence in its accuracy than what can be obtained through a FOIA request. Kyle was a big talking Texan, and that tripped him up, but calling him a liar over this is shaky at best.
The truth in these matters can be quite elusive. So before we get too entrenched in one position or another, maybe it's best to wait for proof.
The point is, there is obviously an error here, and it's hard to say which way it goes. While DD214's routinely contain errors, I would place more confidence in its accuracy than what can be obtained through a FOIA request. Kyle was a big talking Texan, and that tripped him up, but calling him a liar over this is shaky at best.
The truth in these matters can be quite elusive. So before we get too entrenched in one position or another, maybe it's best to wait for proof.
Just some ribbon to put on my class A uniform that was probably already dropped off at Goodwill.
The funniest part of it was, it was for some joint forces exercise that I didn't even participate in. My wife was due any day with our first, and my equipment went, but I didn't.
Decoration (meritorious service/outstanding achievement/heroism)? Medal (Campaign/Good Conduct/National Defense/Korean Defense/GWOT-E/S)? Unit Award (there's a bunch)? Misc ribbon of some sort? Big difference between Silver Star or BSM with Valor device and (in my case) Air Force Outstanding Unit Award (my DD 214 is short an oak leaf cluster, not really a big deal).
Also, what did the FOIA request, request?
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