Titanium_Frost
Grandmaster
Hate 'em all. I don't care. I just don't suffer hypocrisy all that quietly.
Most of us are already aware... You don't do ANYTHING quietly!
Hate 'em all. I don't care. I just don't suffer hypocrisy all that quietly.
Most of us are already aware... You don't do ANYTHING quietly!
Only if it is on pant legs and bootsCan they glean DNA from urine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jji78uEW14Someone should have donated blood alright...
Well they certainly aren't volunteering, are they? They are getting paid by the Feds instead of their local departments.-*All police pressence was Off-Duty*
On its face its a stupid idea. The vast majority of people with something to hide are going to drive away. The rest of the people respondents are just collecting free Federal giveaway money. The accuracy of this study is nil. Its a pointless waste of time and money.-The goal of the survey was to determine the amount/type of drugs (legal/illegal) and alcohol in the [weekend nighttime driving population]
If it was self-reported data, there wouldn't be a cash exchange.-It was also determined that it was feasible to gather reliable, self-reported data about drug and alcohol use using this method of survey.
PSA:
Fellow Ingo'ers, I'd just like to point out that these "drive by" stories that are posted in the forum are what we deal with from Liberal media outlets everyday. It is OUR responsibility to research what we are being told to make an informed decission.
Too many people are quick to dispell what they hear from NBC, CNN, Etc but take BS posted on a forum as God's truth. There is just as much reason to question the statments from Rambone's links as there is to question the reporting from NBC, CNN, Etc.
Well they certainly aren't volunteering, are they? They are getting paid by the Feds instead of their local departments.
They are posing themselves as government agents, wearing their government uniforms and using their government vehicles.
If they don't want me to talk about their stupid program, they should use private funds, private vehicles. and plain-clothes workers. Don't impersonate the police and abuse public resources.
On its face its a stupid idea. The vast majority of people with something to hide are going to drive away. The rest of the people respondents are just collecting free Federal giveaway money. The accuracy of this study is nil. Its a pointless waste of time and money.
If it was self-reported data, there wouldn't be a cash exchange..
This program has no redeeming qualities.
ALABAMA just wanted to see how many married couples were brother & sister
I can hardly wait for the sperm sample road block.
Slavery isn't new. Historical existence is hardly grounds for justification for tyranny, wouldn't you agree?These survey's aren't new. This same organization ran a similar survey in 2007 and they produced a 104 page "lab report" if you will. The report, linked below (link found in Rambone's link BTW), has all the information you would come to expect from a good lab report including the goal of the survey, list of procedures, results, etc...
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/Traffic%2520Injury%2520Control/Articles/Associated%2520Files/PilotTest_NRSM.pdf
The good stuff starts at page 15. Though I doubt many of you will read it.
However, since many of you would rather jump on the bandwagon and follow Rambone of the bridge, I'll try and address some of your concerns:
What's the big deal? All they had to say was no.
PSA:
Fellow Ingo'ers, I'd just like to point out that these "drive by" stories that are posted in the forum are what we deal with from Liberal media outlets everyday. It is OUR responsibility to research what we are being told to make an informed decission.
Too many people are quick to dispell what they hear from NBC, CNN, Etc but take BS posted on a forum as God's truth. There is just as much reason to question the statments from Rambone's links as there is to question the reporting from NBC, CNN, Etc.
These survey's aren't new. This same organization ran a similar survey in 2007 and they produced a 104 page "lab report" if you will. The report, linked below (link found in Rambone's link BTW), has all the information you would come to expect from a good lab report including the goal of the survey, list of procedures, results, etc...
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/Traffic%2520Injury%2520Control/Articles/Associated%2520Files/PilotTest_NRSM.pdf
The good stuff starts at page 15. Though I doubt many of you will read it.
However, since many of you would rather jump on the bandwagon and follow Rambone of the bridge, I'll try and address some of your concerns:
-The goal of the survey was to determine the amount/type of drugs (legal/illegal) and alcohol in the [weekend nighttime driving population]
-*These are not your standard sobriety checkpoints. They are not done in the middle of the highway and there are no lines to wait in.*
-*All police pressence was Off-Duty*
-Site locations were choosen based on officer, researcher, and participant safety as well as least disturbance to the flow of traffic. (There are diagrams on page 16 of the report showing the layouts of the "checkpoints")
-Officers would attempt to stop vehicles only when a "bay" was available. No commercial vehicles were stopped.
-Once in the "bay" no more officer contact.
-*If drivers were found to be over the legal limit, researchers would help them get rides home. Researchers also went so far as to drive people home themselves (4 participants required this service)* NO ONE WAS ARRESTED FOR DWI.
-Once in the bay, participants were made clear that they could stop the survey and drive away at anytime.
-Average participant waiting times:
-Written Survey and BAC: 5-7 Minutes
-Written Survey, BAC, and one Oral Fluid Sample: 10-12 Minutes
-Written Survey, BAC, Oral Fluid Sample, and Blood Sample: 20-25 Minutes
-Results of the survey show that compared to previous surveys in the past, the BAC of participants was overall lower than previously measured in 1973, 1986, 1996, and 2005.
-It was also determined that it was feasible to gather reliable, self-reported data about drug and alcohol use using this method of survey.
PSA:
Fellow Ingo'ers, I'd just like to point out that these "drive by" stories that are posted in the forum are what we deal with from Liberal media outlets everyday. It is OUR responsibility to research what we are being told to make an informed decission.
Too many people are quick to dispell what they hear from NBC, CNN, Etc but take BS posted on a forum as God's truth. There is just as much reason to question the statments from Rambone's links as there is to question the reporting from NBC, CNN, Etc.
What's the big deal? All they had to say was no.[/QUOT
UGH, UGH, Your kidding right?
Of course he is. You have to say it how *I* inferred you should!UGH, UGH, Your kidding right?
Slavery isn't new. Historical existence is hardly grounds for justification for tyranny, wouldn't you agree?
No see, in order for data to be useful, you have to compare it to other data.
All the excuses you offer to address the concerns are just that. Excuses.
Those aren't excuses. That's how the survey went down.
There is no reason whatsoever to conduct these surveys.
Ok, whatevs. Like...that's your opinion man.
Achieving compliance by using the badge is an abuse of the power and authority we have vested in police. Detaining people without legal cause is an abuse of the power and authority we have vested in police.
How is it not clear that no one was unwillingly detained? If you want to call the amount of time it would have taken for a cop to explain the survey "detainment" then I would assume you get upset for being detained at stop lights as well. Do you also get upset for being detained by road work? How about rail road crossings?