Active shooter situation at school in Parkland, FL; reports of victims

[Avec]

In all reality, it appears that there are many on this forum that are fine with the carnage. The evidence of that is the fact that they fight so hard against literally any change in gun laws.

Some facts:
US congress passed a law the forbids denying a gun purchase to someone on the No-Fly list, the terrorist watch list, or those on the FBI fugitive watch list.

Most American's with mental health issues do not have personal health insurance. Recent congresses have significantly cut back what is available to people of limited financial means. If you want better mental health treatment, then it needs to be funded.

Outside of the United States, there have been 25 school shootings in the the last 20 years - total, world-wide. There have been 25 in the United States in the last 35 days.

The United States was recently downgraded to the most dangerous country in the industrialized world to be a youth. Between increasing infant mortality, youth driving deaths, schools shootings and a myriad of other reasons.

Finally, there have been approximately 239 US school shootings since Sandyhook Elementary school in 2012. There are on average 5 shootings per month.

People on this forum seriously need to ask yourself, are you OK with this. You either are or are not. If you are not OK, then you need to be part of the solution, otherwise, not only are you part of the problem, but you are complicit in allowing this slaughter to continue. There is really no middle ground here.

Oh, by the way, if you havent heard, Carmel HS was threatened with this type of shooting today.

Sleep well

 

[Dead Duck]

In all reality, it appears that there are many on this forum that are fine with the carnage. The evidence of that is the fact that they fight so hard against literally any change in gun laws.

Some facts:
US congress passed a law the forbids denying a gun purchase to someone on the No-Fly list, the terrorist watch list, or those on the FBI fugitive watch list.

Most American's with mental health issues do not have personal health insurance. Recent congresses have significantly cut back what is available to people of limited financial means. If you want better mental health treatment, then it needs to be funded.

Outside of the United States, there have been 25 school shootings in the the last 20 years - total, world-wide. There have been 25 in the United States in the last 35 days.

The United States was recently downgraded to the most dangerous country in the industrialized world to be a youth. Between increasing infant mortality, youth driving deaths, schools shootings and a myriad of other reasons.

Finally, there have been approximately 239 US school shootings since Sandyhook Elementary school in 2012. There are on average 5 shootings per month.

People on this forum seriously need to ask yourself, are you OK with this. You either are or are not. If you are not OK, then you need to be part of the solution, otherwise, not only are you part of the problem, but you are complicit in allowing this slaughter to continue. There is really no middle ground here.

Oh, by the way, if you havent heard, Carmel HS was threatened with this type of shooting today.

Sleep well

WOW!
That's terrible.












No really - terrible that people actually believe that crap they are slinging on CNN right now.

You should really change the channel.

 

[bwframe]

In all reality, it appears that there are many on this forum that are fine with the carnage. The evidence of that is the fact that they fight so hard against literally any change in gun laws.

Some facts:
US congress passed a law the forbids denying a gun purchase to someone on the No-Fly list, the terrorist watch list, or those on the FBI fugitive watch list.

Most American's with mental health issues do not have personal health insurance. Recent congresses have significantly cut back what is available to people of limited financial means. If you want better mental health treatment, then it needs to be funded.

Outside of the United States, there have been 25 school shootings in the the last 20 years - total, world-wide. There have been 25 in the United States in the last 35 days.

The United States was recently downgraded to the most dangerous country in the industrialized world to be a youth. Between increasing infant mortality, youth driving deaths, schools shootings and a myriad of other reasons.

Finally, there have been approximately 239 US school shootings since Sandyhook Elementary school in 2012. There are on average 5 shootings per month.

People on this forum seriously need to ask yourself, are you OK with this. You either are or are not. If you are not OK, then you need to be part of the solution, otherwise, not only are you part of the problem, but you are complicit in allowing this slaughter to continue. There is really no middle ground here.

Oh, by the way, if you havent heard, Carmel HS was threatened with this type of shooting today.

Sleep well

You don't really pay much attention to others on here do you?

 

[Avec]

WOW!
That's terrible.












No really - terrible that people actually believe that crap they are slinging on CNN right now.

You should really change the channel.

Please, prove any of it wrong. Until then, climb back under your rock

 

[Vigilant]

In all reality, it appears that there are many on this forum that are fine with the carnage. The evidence of that is the fact that they fight so hard against literally any change in gun laws.

Some facts:
US congress passed a law the forbids denying a gun purchase to someone on the No-Fly list, the terrorist watch list, or those on the FBI fugitive watch list.

Most American's with mental health issues do not have personal health insurance. Recent congresses have significantly cut back what is available to people of limited financial means. If you want better mental health treatment, then it needs to be funded.

Outside of the United States, there have been 25 school shootings in the the last 20 years - total, world-wide. There have been 25 in the United States in the last 35 days.

The United States was recently downgraded to the most dangerous country in the industrialized world to be a youth. Between increasing infant mortality, youth driving deaths, schools shootings and a myriad of other reasons.

Finally, there have been approximately 239 US school shootings since Sandyhook Elementary school in 2012. There are on average 5 shootings per month.

People on this forum seriously need to ask yourself, are you OK with this. You either are or are not. If you are not OK, then you need to be part of the solution, otherwise, not only are you part of the problem, but you are complicit in allowing this slaughter to continue. There is really no middle ground here.

Oh, by the way, if you havent heard, Carmel HS was threatened with this type of shooting today.

Sleep well

And there are others that haz a feelz, and decide that yet another law abridging gun ownership will do a ****ing thing about anything, other than further restricting a right. Which one of the MULTI THOUSANDS of gun laws or restrictions would stop someone determined to do bad? How about...nevermind you has a feelz, so you’re only looking for “common sense” gun control!

 

[Avec]

You don't really pay much attention to others on here do you?

I have seen a lot blaming families, or saying more people need to carry guns. But, unfortunately a lot of "this is a gun grab"

 

[churchmouse]

Please, prove any of it wrong. Until then, climb back under your rock

OK.....I will say this to all involved. No more snark. I will close this thread and hand out some vacation time.

Find a civil way to express yourselves please.

-CM-

 

[Ggreen]

Redacted for self preservation


I will say this tho, incidents like this are not spur of the moment crimes. There is a trail of evidence leading up to these terrible premeditated events. It should not be called victim blaming to use the power of hindsight to analyze and come up with a possible prevention. Aviation has become one of the safest forms of travel because of the real talk that takes place after an accident. The problem here was not the gun, a psychopath will find ways to inflict damage with or without a gun, but the codependent people who ignored the signs because this person was going through a rough patch. A quick search of the internet can turn up hundreds of ways to cause mass casualty situations without a gun while using only legally bought items from a hardware store. The tool is irrelevant because people will always find a way to carry out evil.

This conversation should be a bipartisan talk about what is causing the rise in actual school shootings. We need to take a serious look at what we are doing around the world, we need to give our youths a chance to breathe by finding a true path to peace. We need to find a way to disengage and reset to a peaceful non wartime America. I think this is a pipe dream at this point tho. How about talking about community level mental health offices that can provide counseling to people who are having a tough time. Many people have no idea where to find help, even if they are insured. I'm sure we can find the funding by trimming fat somewhere else. It doesn't do the pro 2a side any good to suggest arming teachers, posting armed volunteers, or any other argument for putting more guns in schools, because it will never be accepted by the other half of the country. It's important to seek out solutions that don't push an agenda, but that find the middle ground. Taking away guns will not eliminate violence, just like making heroin illegal did not reduce use and overdose. I don't know why people find it so hard to look outside of the two polarized political agendas and actually seek out a solution that doesn't impede on your neighbors rights or freedoms.

 

[churchmouse]

I will say only this.....There are no laws we currently have as to gun control that stopped any of this.
No laws we currently have as to hurting/killing that have stopped any of this.
There are no "New" laws that will stop any in the future. Laws are easily ignored. They have been ignored and if someone wants to do bad things to others they will be ignored again.
We do not need any new laws. None. NADA.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

In all reality, it appears that there are many on this forum that are fine with the carnage. The evidence of that is the fact that they fight so hard against literally any change in gun laws.

Some facts:
US congress passed a law the forbids denying a gun purchase to someone on the No-Fly list, the terrorist watch list, or those on the FBI fugitive watch list.

Most American's with mental health issues do not have personal health insurance. Recent congresses have significantly cut back what is available to people of limited financial means. If you want better mental health treatment, then it needs to be funded.

Outside of the United States, there have been 25 school shootings in the the last 20 years - total, world-wide. There have been 25 in the United States in the last 35 days.

The United States was recently downgraded to the most dangerous country in the industrialized world to be a youth. Between increasing infant mortality, youth driving deaths, schools shootings and a myriad of other reasons.

Finally, there have been approximately 239 US school shootings since Sandyhook Elementary school in 2012. There are on average 5 shootings per month.

People on this forum seriously need to ask yourself, are you OK with this. You either are or are not. If you are not OK, then you need to be part of the solution, otherwise, not only are you part of the problem, but you are complicit in allowing this slaughter to continue. There is really no middle ground here.

Oh, by the way, if you havent heard, Carmel HS was threatened with this type of shooting today.

Sleep well

You sound like you really like government funded healthcare, people being deprived of their rights without due diligence, get your gun stats from Moms Demand and/or the media that quotes them, and blames an inanimate object for what people with evil in their hearts do with them. But I bet you'll tell us you're a big 2A supporter. Sir, you're as dangerous to our rights as any liberal.

 

[Avec]

I will say only this.....There are no laws we currently have as to gun control that stopped any of this.
No laws we currently have as to hurting/killing that have stopped any of this.
There are no "New" laws that will stop any in the future. Laws are easily ignored. They have been ignored and if someone wants to do bad things to others they will be ignored again.
We do not need any new laws. None. NADA.

Really? So, your answer is to do nothing?

 

[bwframe]

Speaking of ignoring. I just tested and that feature still works.

No reason to put up with that bull...

 

[Avec]

Speaking of ignoring. I just tested and that feature still works.

No reason to put up with that bull...

Did that mean old truth touch you in a bad place? Talk about being a snowflake . . .

 

[jbombelli]

In all reality, it appears that there are many on this forum that are fine with the carnage. The evidence of that is the fact that they fight so hard against literally any change in gun laws.

Some facts:
US congress passed a law the forbids denying a gun purchase to someone on the No-Fly list, the terrorist watch list, or those on the FBI fugitive watch list.

Most American's with mental health issues do not have personal health insurance. Recent congresses have significantly cut back what is available to people of limited financial means. If you want better mental health treatment, then it needs to be funded.

Outside of the United States, there have been 25 school shootings in the the last 20 years - total, world-wide. There have been 25 in the United States in the last 35 days.

The United States was recently downgraded to the most dangerous country in the industrialized world to be a youth. Between increasing infant mortality, youth driving deaths, schools shootings and a myriad of other reasons.

Finally, there have been approximately 239 US school shootings since Sandyhook Elementary school in 2012. There are on average 5 shootings per month.

People on this forum seriously need to ask yourself, are you OK with this. You either are or are not. If you are not OK, then you need to be part of the solution, otherwise, not only are you part of the problem, but you are complicit in allowing this slaughter to continue. There is really no middle ground here.

Oh, by the way, if you havent heard, Carmel HS was threatened with this type of shooting today.

Sleep well

So my refusal to negotiate away even more of my rights makes me part of the problem?

 

[d.kaufman]

You sound like you really like government funded healthcare, people being deprived of their rights without due diligence, get your gun stats from Moms Demand and/or the media that quotes them, and blames an inanimate object for what people with evil in their hearts do with them. But I bet you'll tell us you're a big 2A supporter. Sir, you're as dangerous to our rights as any liberal.

 

[brotherbill3]

469 post behind - and no time to read it all ...

I observed many making the (Much generalized) statement that kids "Should be absolutely safe at school" ... and / or similar sentiment about society in general at "safe space" ... are understood ....

Since when do we, did we ever, have a system where we SHOULD BE worry free for our kids at school (or any other "safe space")? - I pose that the answer is never. Yet now that is the perception be proffered by the left is that it should be a fairy tale utopia of good feelings, and perhaps a bit of learning. Same for the rest of us in "life" ... it is a horrible joke gone all wrong.


Sadly, many have traded "oblivious" for "false perceptions of safety" ... so it seems. They don't see and recognize danger - so now that they are confronted with it "fear" means someone must give up something to relieve that fear.

My observation:
"No longer able to be oblivious to reality in their false sense of security - the masses move by demanding that those who recognized the reality, are no longer able to speak and act on it; instead reinforcing the original fantasy of the oblivious. ... and eventually crashing reality in to oblivion."

and Post 470 (plus) and I'm off to my normal haunts on here.

 

[jamil]

In all reality, it appears that there are many on this forum that are fine with the carnage.

BULL****! That is pure, not so rare, vintage BULL****! Your projections are about as inaccurate as any ideologue I've ever seen.

No one is fine with it.

We just disagree about what can be done.

Calm the **** down and climb out of your bubble.

 

[GLOCKMAN23C]

Not one more inch. I'm tired of my rights being infringed upon every time some whack job goes postal. That is unacceptable. The answer is not more gun control nor is pricing ammo out of reach for the average joe.

 

[churchmouse]

Really? So, your answer is to do nothing?

Nothing along these lines as it would do.......wait for it.........almost there........"Nothing"

How is any legislation going to stop anyone bent on harm. All it will do is make our (legal owners) lifes harder. Nothing more.
I just can not wrap my head around this concept. People will do as they please if the mind set is there. Laws be damned. We see this every day.

Just another placibo to warm the hearts of the fearful and make them sleep better. Until this happens again.

The problem is mental health. Yes it needs to be re-funded and all the money sent off shore to placate our adversary's redirected into it. JMHO of course

 

[jamil]

Really? So, your answer is to do nothing?

Really? So your answer is to do something--anything--without any evidence that the thing you want to try will work.

I ask you before about ideas. You said you got nothing. Okay. Sit tight then until you figure it out. You don't impose restrictions on 100 million gun owners just so you can get your feelz right.