Anyone that doesn't put his kid in a full size pick-up truck is a damned moron.
Anyone that doesn't homeschool his kids is a damned moron.
Anyone that doesn't feed his kids non-GMO, raw foods is a damned moron.
Anyone that doesn't vax his kids is a damned moron.
Anyone that vaxes his kids is a damned moron.
Anyone that that doesn't teach his kids about firearm safety and relies instead on a lack of access is a damned moron.
Two can play this game. Saying it doesn't make it so.
As is the assumption that this gun and child were both left to their own devices unattended.However the assumption that this is how we *all* do it is growing tiresome.
Now there is a productive idea!I do find it bothersome that a thread that started about a terrible tragedy has morphed into a mudslinging contest over who is safer with firearms. If you guys want to argue, why not start a "Gun safety debate" thread and go at it?
Out of respect and empathy, I have not laid blame or pointed a finger at anyone. However the assumption that this is how we *all* do it is growing tiresome. I have yet to find a reason to take my gun off, lay it on a counter, and walk away. I don't need to lay it down to hang up my coat. I don't need to lay it down to pick something else up. I don't lay my gun down and leave the room to change clothes, nor do I allow a child in my room when I'm changing clothes. My gun is 100% of the time on my person, in a safe, or behind a closed and locked door.
This is a tragedy that I cannot even come close to comprehend the consequences. My deepest condolences to the family.
I have read the entire thread. I must say I really tire of anyone saying they can't disclose the circumstances while repeatedly telling others they are wrong in their thinking. Until one is willing or able to reveal the circumstances don't accuse anyone of not knowing the truth or how they would not be able to prevent something. The thread would be a lot shorter and it would have changed nothing.
Not only out of respect for the family while going through this, but it also cannot be shared at this time due to the pending legal consequences/ramifications they face.This is a tragedy that I cannot even come close to comprehend the consequences. My deepest condolences to the family.
I have read the entire thread. I must say I really tire of anyone saying they can't disclose the circumstances while repeatedly telling others they are wrong in their thinking. Until one is willing or able to reveal the circumstances don't accuse anyone of not knowing the truth or how they would not be able to prevent something. The thread would be a lot shorter and it would have changed nothing.
I'm hoping to make things more clear tonight. I'll have to be very delicate in handling it so there's no guarantee on timing, but I will be working on it regardless.
I know too well how the media operates. I also realize that this is a unique learning opportunity for gun owners...
^^^ This right here. ^^^...the assumption that this is how we *all* do it is growing tiresome. I have yet to find a reason to take my gun off, lay it on a counter, and walk away. I don't need to lay it down to hang up my coat. I don't need to lay it down to pick something else up. I don't lay my gun down and leave the room to change clothes, nor do I allow a child in my room when I'm changing clothes. My gun is 100% of the time on my person, in a safe, or behind a closed and locked door.
A 3 year old with those charges? I think not.It is being reported the shooter was on probation for Possession of Marijuana and Underage Drinking.
Not to come down one way or the other, but I just can't imagine. I was listening to the Colts game yesterday and hit the garage door because I wasn't paying enough attention during the third quarter. It just takes a couple of moments of not paying 100% attention, and something happens. Sometimes you get lucky. I wonder how many of us have been more lucky than we have ever imagined.
Refusal to learn is both an admission of naiveness and the foundation of ignorance. If you cannot learn something from an experience, then you are doomed to repeat or allow the repeat of a similar situation. Of course, nobody here would be because everyone on INGO is beyond making mistakes.It doesn't matter whether we have details or not. Nor does it matter what the press says about it. There is simply no changing the simple already known facts: Those responsible for this child's well being failed. Not only failed to protect him, but created the circumstance that killed him.
You may be telling yourself this is a learning opportunity. If that works for you fine. Don't drag the rest of us into that mentality.
There is a significant difference between negligence and true accident. Negligence requires the presence of a KNOWN danger, while neglecting to account for it. It does not include instances where things happen which you could not foresee, while taking the measures which were reasonable to prevent a danger, and having those measures fail. Negligence is where blame plays a role and where someone should be held accountable. This case was not negligent because it was not a foreseeable danger given the circumstances.The core idea of negligence is that people should exercise reasonable care when they act by taking account of the potential harm that they might foreseeably cause harm to other people.