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    1. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      No. Blame for the mess we're in rests on that sinless immaculate State being in bed with that sinless immaculate Business which would totally, completely, without a doubt be honest and moral if only someone got these law things out of the way. Thanks for the discussion, man. No more arguing...
    2. orange

      Small business CEO rips Obama over downgrade and wants apology

      Well....somebody is certainly profiting from the situation. Our oh so esteemed elected leaders are perfectly competent, just disinterested in the welfare of the country.
    3. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      Sorry but all too often profit does indeed seem to trump all. During the early 1980s Bayer sold blood plasma contaminated with HIV on the Asian market. Internal documents show the company was aware of the contamination. Just found it more profitable to sell the material than destroy it, and...
    4. orange

      How often do you clean your firearms?

      Most of the time, right after shooting them. I don't think it's exactly necessary but I like tinkering with guns, this counts, why not?
    5. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      Also, because I laughed :D
    6. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      Mussolini equated the two, not exactly leftist. I consider him a bit of an authority on the subject. True, I'm just arguing capitalism via its profit motive provides a strong incentive to fraud and violence, which should be acknowledged and controlled for rather than allowed to fester until we...
    7. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      Doubtful anybody'll convince anybody else of much - but damnit I like this thread. Fletch, Dross, thanks for making me reconsider my positions. Sorry, not convinced I'm confusing anything at all. If it's not capitalist then it's a perfectly natural consequence of capitalism. Really seems...
    8. orange

      S&P to Obama... Credit rating will be downgraded.

      Anyone remember S&P giving AAA rating to CDO bundles? This is S&P yelling look! look at me! look at me look look I'm totally relevant look (edit) though, if it ISN'T a credibility/relevance grab, I can't think who profits from this move.
    9. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      I can't stay away from this thread help meeeeee I'm so exhausted I can't think straight, back to arguing later. :D
    10. orange

      Overseas Military bases

      You can't invade the mainland United States. There'd be a rifleman behind every blade of grass.
    11. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      And I maintain the problem will persist as long as there is a government and there is a business. Potential for fraud exists even in such minutiae as deciding who'll provide a chair for the head honcho to rest his arse upon. This doesn't mean I'm against reducing size of government, by the...
    12. orange

      What's the DEA version of Fast and Furious?

      US Court Documents Claim Sinaloa “Cartel” Is Protected by US Government The ATF can't be arsed to stop trafficking guns. The DEA cuts these sort of deals with people trafficking drugs. We're going to win the War on Drugs aaaaaany moment now.
    13. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      The difference between your stance and mine seems to be where to assign blame for the system going wrong. When the CEO of Goldman Sachs moves into a government position which he uses to funnel obscene amounts of money to Goldman Sachs, I see that as corruption originating with GS rather than...
    14. orange

      California Cops Beat Mentally Ill Man To Death

      I would LOVE to ask this man, which part. Is the beating an isolated incident, or getting caught on camera?
    15. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      Economic conditions preventing people from picking up and moving unless they literally abandon what little they have and walk to another town, where they'll find themselves without fixed address, without shelter, without income, without means for prospective employers to contact them...what...
    16. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      The fact that private ownership and the profit motive are still cornerstones of the system. I thought corporatism and fascism amounted to the same thing? Anyway, I wonder if you've seen the Citigroup plutonomy report. Well.. If fraud and violence destroy capitalism, then it seems capitalism...
    17. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      Agreed! However. The system seems inclined to naturally curtail that free and voluntary exchange. Say a business mistreats its employees. Workers then leave to work elsewhere, customers leave to shop elsewhere because public opinion is now negative, and that business changes its evil ways...
    18. orange

      An interesting way to conceal carry at work

      Seconding this, it's a pet peeve of mine. These people are trying to look professional and can't even manage basic spelling? Real nice. Also the price of this thing is ridiculous. I wouldn't have a problem carrying one around, I already tote a sketchbook everywhere I go... but five hundred...
    19. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      Errr...hm. Look. If we agree involvement by a government or some regulatory agency indeed is necessary, then we're arguing the same thing from different perspectives. This is a semantics issue. If such corruption means the system is not capitalist, then the United States can hardly be...
    20. orange

      Why Capitalism is Worth Defending

      Well, sure it is. The point is to maximize profit, isn't it? If that means buying off a congressman or ten, than that's what will be done. I don't believe this is abandonment or destruction of capitalism, but a merger of corporate and government interests. I disagree. Just from the examples...
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