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  • ditcherman

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    In the country, hopefully.
    You want to change the circumstance for everybody just to get what you want

    The others say, why not just change only your own circumstance and leave everybody else out of it
    How does that make it not a side hustle? The very reason that people have side hustles is to help make ends meet.

    And what does that have to do with anything, anyway?
    And you want to change the circumstance for everybody just to get what you want.
    And we’ve come full circle from where we started nuh-uh uh-huh nanny nanny boo boo I know you are but what am I your mama.

    The only difference between men and boys…
     

    chipbennett

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    It is hardly a side hustle for someone who owns a landscaping service or works fulltime during the season.
    It has to do with you declaring that the extra 1 - 2 hours someone might work is insignificant.
    Perhaps you should re-read the comment to which I was replying? :dunno: Because this is not the scenario. Holy straw man.

    As for your scenario: for someone in full-time landscaping work, the hours of daylight are utterly and entirely unchanged by DST vs standard time.
     

    jamil

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    Let's say the lawn mowing season goes from 01 May - 30 September. Let's further say that lawn mowing without artificial light can safely take place through the extent of civil twilight. (It is likely somewhere into nautical twilight, realistically.)

    Indianapolis:

    01 May: EDT civil twilight ends at 9:08pm = 5.5 post-work hours w/light
    31 Aug: EDT civil twilight ends at 8:44pm = 5 post-work hours w/light (edit: looked at the wrong date)
    30 Sep: EDT civil twilight ends at 7:54pm = 4.5 post-work hours w/light

    Those are the minimums.

    Remove DST, and you would still have, minimum, 3.5 hours with light after work. That's not enough time for a yard work side hustle?

    (Where did the "reason for edit" field go? I edited this to reflect 01 May - 30 Sep as the lawn-mowing season. I was debating whether lawn-mowing season was May - Aug or May - Sep. Post now shows both, just to make sure I show a reasonable worst-case at either extreme.)
    So when does dinner fit in? You have shades on your windows, no?
     

    jamil

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    Nope. At peak season, nautical twilight ends at 10:30. Astronomical twilight ("dark") doesn't end until 11:18.
    Working daylight ends not long after sunset. I DGAF about nautical or astronomical twilight. I care about when these eyes can't see well enough to be safe, or even when the grass starts to get damp because the temp's have fallen enough to dew stuff up.

    And remember. My mowing season is longer than you guys up there in snowy Canadastan (cah-NAH-dah-stan). My last mow has been as late as November in recent years. I've already started mowing this year.
     

    jamil

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    How is that relevant, though? The issue at hand was sufficient daylight to do landscaping as a side hustle after one's primary work shift.
    But a working guy has to eat. You work all day. Then you go straight to your side hustle without food?
     

    chipbennett

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    Working daylight ends not long after sunset. I DGAF about nautical or astronomical twilight. I care about when these eyes can't see well enough to be safe, or even when the grass starts to get damp because the temp's have fallen enough to dew stuff up.

    And remember. My mowing season is longer than you guys up there in snowy Canadastan (cah-NAH-dah-stan). My last mow has been as late as November in recent years. I've already started mowing this year.
    It depends on what work is being done. Lawn mowing can take place safely at least through civil twilight.
     

    chipbennett

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    But a working guy has to eat. You work all day. Then you go straight to your side hustle without food?
    Wanna bet the shift work as a lunch break and two other breaks? Failing that, he could eat while en route. And waiting to eat until after the side hustle is done is also an option.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    Working daylight ends not long after sunset. I DGAF about nautical or astronomical twilight. I care about when these eyes can't see well enough to be safe, or even when the grass starts to get damp because the temp's have fallen enough to dew stuff up.

    And remember. My mowing season is longer than you guys up there in snowy Canadastan (cah-NAH-dah-stan). My last mow has been as late as November in recent years. I've already started mowing this year.
    I've started mowing too, but thanks to DST I have to wait until almost noon before the grass dries out from the dew.
     

    jamil

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    Wanna bet the shift work as a lunch break and two other breaks? Failing that, he could eat while en route. And waiting to eat until after the side hustle is done is also an option.
    Why should he make special provisions to eat when DST solves the time crunch for getting **** done after work, side hustles, etcetera. Get out of work ~5PM. Be home maybe 5:30-6PM. Eat dinner promptly at 6 if you're lucky. Be ready to go to the side hustle by 7PM. So then that gives you 2.5 hours of useful daylight on standard time. 3.5 hours on DST.

    Plus, say he does it your way and starts the side hustle work without dinner. More hours of daylight after work the more side work you can get done and the more money he makes. So maybe he decides to put those dinner hours into work anyway. An hour extra of earning if on DST.
     

    jamil

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    How does the sunlight being later help a landscaper? There isn't more sunlight, it only comes later.

    I thought the context was side hustle after work. So the more hours after work, the more work you can do. So DST = mo money.
     

    chipbennett

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    Why should he make special provisions to eat when DST solves the time crunch for getting **** done after work, side hustles, etcetera. Get out of work ~5PM. Be home maybe 5:30-6PM. Eat dinner promptly at 6 if you're lucky. Be ready to go to the side hustle by 7PM. So then that gives you 2.5 hours of useful daylight on standard time. 3.5 hours on DST.

    Plus, say he does it your way and starts the side hustle work without dinner. More hours of daylight after work the more side work you can get done and the more money he makes. So maybe he decides to put those dinner hours into work anyway. An hour extra of earning if on DST.
    Those are all personal choices for our hypothetical side hustler to make.
     

    KLB

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    I thought the context was side hustle after work. So the more hours after work, the more work you can do. So DST = mo money.
    Did you read the comment I replied to?
    It is hardly a side hustle for someone who owns a landscaping service or works fulltime during the season.
    It has to do with you declaring that the extra 1 - 2 hours someone might work is insignificant.
     
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