Trump 2024 — The second term

SheepDog4Life · Mar 12, 2024

Ingomike said:
Not intending to turn this into a theological discussion but God said that there should be no other Gods before him, then instructed believers to care for their families. God didn’t install country ahead of family and in most instances the family and their leader have their interests aligned.

Husbands and fathers serve in combat zones and roles, Dad served 3 tours in SE Asia. In that sense, proper service to country comes before family. Ditto police and fire.

Anyhow, regardless of the order, I'm still fourth, not first as you implied.

Ingomike said:
I couldn’t care less if it is Trump first, as long as it results in outcomes good for America First. I am over all the second guessing of Trump by the political norms of the past. The left are well beyond the political norms of the past.

Then back to my original question, how is maintaining ChiComm ownership of TikTok putting America first?

Ingomike said:
Yep, he likely sees some advantages in this. For the political class, that is unique how?

Same as above, ChiComm ownership of tikTok is not putting America first, but Trump first, for some reason. My guess is $$$

Ingomike said:
Things that make SD4L and HKfan go hmmmm….

And normally would make most of INGO go hmmm.... if not so invested in the cult of Trump's personality.

Standard INGO answer for anyone but Trump... follow the money...

Ingomike · Mar 12, 2024

SheepDog4Life said:
Husbands and fathers serve in combat zones and roles, Dad served 3 tours in SE Asia. In that sense, proper service to country comes before family. Ditto police and fire.

Anyhow, regardless of the order, I'm still fourth, not first as you implied.

This is an excellent example of how you can twist this anyway you want to get the outcome you desire. Fighting in the war was the ultimate sacrifice for the ultimate protection of the family in my estimation. Family before country.

SheepDog4Life said:
Then back to my original question, how is maintaining ChiComm ownership of TikTok putting America first?

I dont know but I am confident that that there is some tactical reason we don’t know and we likely will never know. But you ALWAYS choose the worst interpretation when it involves Trump.

SheepDog4Life said:
Same as above, ChiComm ownership of tikTok is not putting America first, but Trump first, for some reason. My guess is $$$

And normally would make most of INGO go hmmm.... if not so invested in the cult of Trump's personality.

Standard INGO answer for anyone but Trump... follow the money...

Yep, let’s just follow the Trump money. The first President in modern times to lose money being President. Bunch of ungrateful micromanagers negatively parsing every move of the only President in my lifetime to do much of what he said he would.

Route 45 · Mar 12, 2024

Ingomike · Mar 12, 2024

Route 45 said:

Gotta keep them down, can’t let them find out the truth…

BugI02 · Mar 12, 2024

Route 45 said:

Nuhn unh! Bitter neverTrumpers on INGO have been telling me he can't win, like forever

Twangbanger · Mar 12, 2024

SheepDog4Life said:
Mike, Trump called to ban TikTok way back when... the only question and legislation in action NOW is to FORCE ChiComm ByteDance to divest ownership... which the House Committee advanced 50-0.

Again, this is about ChiComm ownership of TikTok and all of the user data associated with it.

Why, oh why would Trump flip-flop now?

Convince me he has not sold out to the ChiComms the way he did for Budlight?

Does the proposed legislation specify "who" Tik Tok would have to be sold to? Is there a possibility it would have to be sold to a US entity...potentially Meta? Does it leave the door open to making Meta bigger?

Lacking further information, I could perfectly well imagine how someone could be against this legislation, for reasons which aren't purely personal.

You have to assess the "business puzzle pieces" how they actually are, not how you'd like them to be.

If I wanted to kill a potential enemy 5 years ago...but the courts wouldn't allow it...and now the courts will allow that enemy's assets to be acquired by another "demonstrated" enemy, making that enemy larger and more powerful right before an election?

I think I might agree with Trump on this one. Selling an enemy to another enemy =/= killing that enemy. The two are not the same currency. And Trump is not required by any concept of "consistency" to support both equally.

You have to be willing to at least entertain the possibility that a person experienced in business deals, might interpret this situation more intelligently than you.

(...and that National Review is just Never-Trump and yanking your chain...but I'll leave that one go for now).

BugI02 · Mar 12, 2024

jamil said:
Remember what I said about people who still claim that after learning what was actually said?

Remember, by Caddyshack standards 'It's not a lie if he believes it'

foszoe · Mar 12, 2024

BugI02 said:
Nuhn unh! Bitter neverTrumpers on INGO have been telling me he can't win, like forever

Talking about in court. Keeps losing!

BugI02 · Mar 12, 2024

Flash-hider said:
Actually, Peter Meijer won his Congressional seat in 2022 after Justin Amash didn't seek re-election. Amash a 5 term Republican Congressman turned independent in 2019 and made a run for President in the Libertarian Party but was not successful.
Meijer was a one term congressman. When Meijer's congressional district was redrawn, he lost to a female democrat Hillary Scholten who served in the Obama administration.
I always thought Meijer followed in the footsteps of Fred Upton but not a hard follower either. If his district would have remained untouched, I believe he would have been re-elected in 2022. But Michigan's "Citizen Re-districting" committee heavily favored the democrats winning. They called it "balance".
Meijer's nor Amash don't stand a snowball's chance against the heavily favored Congresswoman Elissa Slotkin whose current district is the greater Lansing area which includes Michigan State University.
What it comes down to is Mike Rogers has the best odds of going up against her in the November general election. Like it or not that's what we in Michigan have to get an R back into Stabenow's long held seat.

I'm guessing you meant 2020 there, not 2022 because your other dates are correct. Only quibble is Meijer beat Scholten by 5 or 6 points in 2020 but lost his primary in 2022 to Gibbs, so he never ran against Scholten in 2022 because he wasn't on the ballot

I stand by my assertion that he is a dilettante hobbyist politician and by no stretch can be considered America First, though maybe 'Billionaires First'. He's rudderless and elevating him to the senate would be a mistake - Mittchigan Romney

BugI02 · Mar 12, 2024

foszoe said:
Talking about in court. Keeps losing!

Negative, Ghost Actual; think further back. The DeSantis booster brigade was ALL ABOUT how Trump couldn't win the general - before the SS DeSantis took four fish below the waterline

foszoe · Mar 12, 2024

BugI02 said:
Negative, Ghost Actual; think further back. The DeSantis booster brigade was ALL ABOUT how Trump couldn't win the general - before the SS DeSantis took four fish below the waterline

The visual was hilarious

BugI02 · Mar 12, 2024

SheepDog4Life said:
When he was president, he called for banning TikTok.

Now that there is a serious effort to force the ChiComms to sell TikTok, he is parroting TikTok's narrative... follow the money... Trump is Trump first, not America first (the traditional meaning, not the Trademarked meaning).

Total ban =/= divestment, just sayin'

Maybe he realizes forcing them to sell it to some shell corporation won't fix the problem they present. The governments ability to interfere in how a business is run is quite limited, and justifiably so

Would the problem be resolved if Google or Meta or the DNC bought Tik Tok? I think not

BugI02 · Mar 12, 2024

SheepDog4Life said:
No, I'm fourth after God, Country and family.

Trump is Trump first... AF is just a slogan for him.

Another mind reader, I guess, since you don't offer proof (you know, like the proof you demand of election skeptics) only your (likely biased) interpretations of his actions

Even if he doesn't score 100% on the America First meter, he is far and away more America First than anyone else likely to be on the ballot

But by all means, provide zero help to the effort and then ***** about everything like a back-bencher. I expect no less

Tombs · Mar 12, 2024

Ziggidy said:
And why not? They are in our face with all the other made up lying, cheating, manipulated, far reaching, law breaking crap; without blinking an eye. They will have states using the documented undocumented criminals that will cause confusion to the election. They have millions of military aged men ready to cause enough havoc to declare Martial Law before or after the election; if needed.

Bottom line is they do not care what the law is and will do whatever they want. They are not trying to hide it any longer. IOW, they can and will do whatever they want in order to win. They may or may not succeed but this I tell you. Either way, expect havoc; not from the right, but from the left.

I believe they are using 2020 as a tool, an example to instill fear for anyone who wishes to protest an election result.

I pray I am wrong.

If that's the case then it's time to go to war, is it not?

I can't think of a more morally justified and fully defensive scenario for a war than that.

And nobody can blame anyone but themselves for it getting to that point. Capitulating here and there, and on every single issue until the last option left is the most undesirable option to take.

I was warning people that things were going to be this bad in the late 90s, and people acted like I was crazy, because they wanted to live in their comfortable fantasy world and ignore what was going on around them.

Ziggidy · Mar 12, 2024

Tombs said:
If that's the case then it's time to go to war, is it not?

I can't think of a more morally justified and fully defensive scenario for a war than that.

That is a disturbing thought. A thought that I am sure many have asked themselves many times. It scares me that I have thought that. I am in my early 70’s, grew up in some tough times but nothing like this.

The answer? The people of this great country need to take advantage of every possible advantage. I don‘t have to explain the ugliness of war and how it will impact this great country. We have an election coming up and we truly need to identify the most important issues, values and morals that are important to us; not only individually but as a nation also. We need to stop nit picking the candidates and accept what we are faced with and pick the best that will fight for what we believe. We need to understand that if Trump wins that does not mean victory for us; it just means we have selected a person who we feel will help us. If Trump wins, that does not mean we can sit back and let him take all the arrows. If Trump wins it means we fight with everything we’ve got, just short of war. I feel if Trump wins, the opposition may determine the next step. War, IMO, is not the answer, at this time. I pray we never go to war.

If Trump should lose?

Those are my thoughts today. I worry about irrational thinking on both sides that could trigger an ugly outcome.

Tombs · Mar 12, 2024

Ziggidy said:
That is a disturbing thought. A thought that I am sure many have asked themselves many times. It scares me that I have thought that. I am in my early 70’s, grew up in some tough times but nothing like this.

The answer? The people of this great country need to take advantage of every possible advantage. I don‘t have to explain the ugliness of war and how it will impact this great country. We have an election coming up and we truly need to identify the most important issues, values and morals that are important to us; not only individually but as a nation also. We need to stop nit picking the candidates and accept what we are faced with and pick the best that will fight for what we believe. We need to understand that if Trump wins that does not mean victory for us; it just means we have selected a person who we feel will help us. If Trump wins, that does not mean we can sit back and let him take all the arrows. If Trump wins it means we fight with everything we’ve got, just short of war. I feel if Trump wins, the opposition may determine the next step. War, IMO, is not the answer, at this time. I pray we never go to war.

If Trump should lose?

Those are my thoughts today. I worry about irrational thinking on both sides that could trigger an ugly outcome.

It drives home the point that all this nitpicking, second guessing, and co-operating with these people is just driving the needle step by step closer to that war.

People should be more fearful of inaction or capitulation than they are of taking action to stave off something of that magnitude.

But people are inherently bad about planning for long term consequences, otherwise drug overdoses wouldn't exist, nor would debt. Which is why the consequences need brought front and center so people understand that their actions have an influence regardless of whether they think it does or not.

A bad day avoided today could be the end of your life tomorrow.

Flash-hider · Mar 12, 2024

BugI02 said:
I'm guessing you meant 2020 there, not 2022 because your other dates are correct. Only quibble is Meijer beat Scholten by 5 or 6 points in 2020 but lost his primary in 2022 to Gibbs, so he never ran against Scholten in 2022 because he wasn't on the ballot

I stand by my assertion that he is a dilettante hobbyist politician and by no stretch can be considered America First, though maybe 'Billionaires First'. He's rudderless and elevating him to the senate would be a mistake - Mittchigan Romney

I did thank you for the corrections. I was going from memory.
To your second paragraph, He was a Fred Upton follower. If he would win the Senate primary the democrat will hand him his lunch.

jamil · Mar 12, 2024

SheepDog4Life said:
However, I will say that if Biden or any of his minions were ever recorded as telling a state's head election official that they needed to "find" X number of votes, INGO would be on fire with conspiracy talk... so I find calling this out as pretty duplicitous, to say the least.

Duplicitous, you say. Yer gonna have to walk me through that one.

jamil · Mar 12, 2024

Ingomike said:
And you are not SD4L first? I believe God put it in this order, God, family, country. We are not going to find altruistic leaders, the best we can hope for is that there is alignment that what is good for the individual/family is simultaneously good for the country…

I think what is, and is not AF depends on scope. The scope of AF pertains to government. I am AF in terms of wanting our government to put Americans before other nations. As an individual citizen, I put my family first. And I expect other individual Americans to put their families first. I would expect Biden and Trump to put their families first. Not to an extent of exploiting their executive power for personal gain.

It’s in the best interest of the US if tiktok were ****canned. As a matter of policy proposal, if Trump is acting out of self interest instead America’s interest, that’s outside of what is America first.

jamil · Mar 12, 2024

SheepDog4Life said:
Anyhow, regardless of the order, I'm still fourth, not first as you implied.

Like I said, as an individual, i would expect you to put your family first. There’s something noble about sacrificing for the good of your country and all. But not necessary. If it were it wouldn’t be noble.

But. If you’re an elected official and you adopt policies to enrich yourself, that’s not only not America-first, that’s immoral.

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