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  • KLB

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    The area of Germany I was in (far nothern Bavaria) the climate wasn't too much different than Indiana. Lots of freeze/thaw cycles every winter. Compound that with all the wear and tear was inflicted by heavy armor, it is amazing how well that road held up.
    Your last sentence tells you why the roads are so much better there. They are built to support armor. Everything was built to be able to move troops in the event of a war with the USSR. Plus I am betting we paid for it.
     

    KLB

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    Wasn't the autobahn built under a dictatorial socialist regime? Isn't Germany about the size of Wisconsin?
    Apparently Montana is closest.

    Montana is the closest but is a bit larger with 147,000 sq miles compared to Germany's 138,000.
    With a total area (land and water) of 36,418 square miles (94,320 km2), Indiana ranks as the 38th largest state in size.
     

    KLB

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    Not my area of expertise but Indianapolis is the 40th parallel and Bavaria is the 48th and a googling shows it there is 69 miles per parallel. The 48th parallel is up near the UP of Michigan, definitely not the constant freeze thaw Indy gets each winter…
    Their weather forecast looks similar
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    Ingomike

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    Their weather forecast looks similar
    What does a weather forecast have to do with the overall weather? Being 8 degrees latitude different is a big difference. The northern Michigan wineries tell me the reason their Riesling wines are world class is they have the same weather and growing season as Germany.

    Indy is the 40th parallel and Porter county is the 41st, winters are colder in Porter county compared to Indy, this suggests the winter 7 degrees of latitude further north would be significantly different…
     

    BE Mike

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    Apparently Montana is closest.
    Actually I believe that the OP was comparing roads in Germany to the roads in the US, not just Indiana. I've actually driven on the autobahn, except for being scared out of my wits with expensive cars driving by at breakneck speeds (with spectacular crashes), our interstate system is comparable, although our system extends for many, many more miles. I doubt that US taxpayers would put up with having twice the amount of concrete (24" vs. 12") when asked to pay the bill. Of course, Adolph didn't have much opposing public opinions in the end. :ar15:
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    Overall, I think our interstate system is pretty good. I-69 has some terrible transitions at the bridges, but I think that's an exception and not the rule.

    City roads in Indy tend to suck, though. Already seeing a fresh crop of pot holes starting, though not nearly as bad as a few years ago yet.

    Doesn't Germany charge some fairly high tolls for heavier vehicles? I may be thinking of somewhere else, but I thought I recall reading where passenger cars were seldom tolled but once you hit a certain weight point you had to start paying per mile and it kept increasing as weight went up. I could be misremembering, though.
     

    bkflyer

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    Two things that were on my bucket list:
    Fly the Concord.
    Hammer down the Autobahn in the fastest rental car I could afford.
    One of these is no longer feasible.
    Still going to work on the other.

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    After living there for three years let me give you some advice.
    Going 120-140 mph is a blast! Trying to stop when a duck or opal pulls out in front of you is not.!
     

    Mgderf

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    If Indiana built their roads like Germany, what would they do with all of those orange barrels, not to mention Larry, Darrel, and Darrel?
     
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    Kraftwerk was one of the first "techno" bands I think. Some of their stuff was kinda trippy back then. And I don't know any other songs about the Autobahn. :):
    The fact you knew one song about the autobahn... I struggle to come up with a german tune beyond 99luftballons. Ok, maybe I know o' tannenbaum. Hat tip to your music
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    The fact you knew one song about the autobahn... I struggle to come up with a german tune beyond 99luftballons. Ok, maybe I know o' tannenbaum. Hat tip to your music
    The video had the lyrics wrong though. Video said "The fun, fun, fun of the autobahn". The correct lyrics are "Wir fahren, fahren, fahren auf der Autobahn". (We drive, drive, drive on the Autobahn.)
     
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    Your last sentence tells you why the roads are so much better there. They are built to support armor. Everything was built to be able to move troops in the event of a war with the USSR. Plus I am betting we paid for it.
    Nope. That stretch was abandoned in 1945, so built prior to WWII by a certain Austrian corporal. Even at that the vehicles we used were much heavier and faster, plus we weren't just going straight down the lanes. This was a maneuver area were we could let loose and tear up stuff.
     

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    Best INDoT conversation I was a part of...."This bridge doesn't have much @ss to it." This was the second time they had to shore it up within 10 years of its reconstruction.
    That is a verbatim quote.

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    KLB

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    Actually I believe that the OP was comparing roads in Germany to the roads in the US, not just Indiana. I've actually driven on the autobahn, except for being scared out of my wits with expensive cars driving by at breakneck speeds (with spectacular crashes), our interstate system is comparable, although our system extends for many, many more miles. I doubt that US taxpayers would put up with having twice the amount of concrete (24" vs. 12") when asked to pay the bill. Of course, Adolph didn't have much opposing public opinions in the end. :ar15:
    So have I. Driving 150 down the Autobahn was an experience I will never forget.

    Our Interstates aren't really comparable. Although I believe they were used the Autobahn as a model. Curves, overpasses, and such are designed to allow traffic to move very fast there, which ours are not.

    The biggest difference though is the drivers. German drivers are much more respectful of other drivers than US drivers.
     

    eric001

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    If I remember right--and there's NO promise of that whatsoever--years ago I read that the German roads were financed kind of backwards to ours. Theirs did NOT go to the lowest bidder, but to the company willing to put the best warranty behind their work. Ours go to those offering the quickest/lowest cost (and/or biggest kickback to some politician pushing the project). And I also thought the German system penalized the hell out of any company that didn't satisfactorily maintain their road work.

    Please let me know If I'm off the deep end here, but I could have sworn I read all this. Quick try at google foo did not find the article I vaguely remember though.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    The biggest difference though is the drivers. German drivers are much more respectful of other drivers than US drivers.

    So much for 'an armed society is a polite society', eh? Turns out we can be assholes with or without guns if we're dedicated enough.

    Given the German reputation/stereotype, I wonder how prevalent DUI is and how seriously they take it.
     
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