Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[Brad69]

So 5% of the defense budget does not account replacement of weapons and ammo.

We do not store large stockpiles of expensive stuff. We cannot even come up with 33 M1 tanks.

Our 155 ammo is so short that in the event of a large war. The Army might have cut one or two cannons out of each Battery.

We have taken M777 Cannons away from units to equip the Ukrainians. Guess what the M777 is a state of the art piece. It’s meant for targeted attacks that require fewer rounds.

It‘s breaking down at a unreal rate and will be ineffective soon. It’s not designed for a WW1 trench war.

The Ukrainians are running out of ammo for Tanks and Artillery. There is only so much
Russian ammo in the free world. We could buy it from China?

 

[BigRed]

bout the college thing...

Ukrainians Studying in U.S. Granted Special Student Relief | BestColleges

The Department of Homeland Security designation provides college students from Ukraine flexibility to reduce course loads so they can support themselves and their families.

www.bestcolleges.com

There is no one in Ukrainian government that the US is not paying the salary of.

US Sending ‘Billions’ to Fund Ukraine Government Operations

The money comes from two bills passed by Congress

www.voanews.com

We pay most their medical care as well.

U.S. sends $1.7B in aid to pay Ukraine’s health care workers

The latest round of aid aims to address the acute budget deficit caused by the ongoing Russian invasion.

www.politico.com

and of course more Ukrainian debts,paid by the US taxpayer.

Why is the Biden administration paying off Ukraine’s debt but not ours? - Washington Examiner

“Biden administration allocates billions to pay down the budget deficit … in Ukraine.”This sounds like a parody headline from the Babylon Bee, but it is actually a real thing that’s happening under President Joe Biden’s watch.On Monday, the United States Agency for International Development, or...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

It is what some here voted for.

 

[jamil]

US determines Russia has committed crimes against humanity in Ukraine, VP Harris says

Vice President Kamala Harris announced Saturday in Munich that the U.S. has determined that Russia has committed crimes against humanity in Ukraine.

news.yahoo.com

I think she meant "prostitutor". I would like to ask this **** about "crimes against humanity" committed by lincoln and his union, but that is a discussion for another thread.

Crimes against humanity? And why should we believe anything the administration has to say? Why should we believe any of them. Russia. Ukraine. US government. China. Any of them. Why believe anything? What have they done to earn the trust of their constituents? They wasted public trust already.

 

[jamil]

Our 155 ammo is so short that in the event of a large war. The Army might have cut one or two cannons out of each Battery.

IRS might be able to spare some to loan the military.

 

[smokingman]

We could buy it from China?

They are supplying Russia,and have a "No limit" partnership with Russia.

Opinion | China-Russia ‘no limits’ partnership is still going strong

Those who believe Xi has broken with Putin over Ukraine misunderstand the partnership – both view regime security as their main priority and are determined to shape the international order so authoritarian states can be rule-makers.

www.scmp.com

Russia and China open cross-border bridge as ties deepen

Russia and China opened a new cross-border bridge in the far east on Friday which they hope will further boost trade as Moscow reels from sweeping Western sanctions imposed over its actions in Ukraine.

www.reuters.com

and they are building even more.
The rail bridge was finished in 2020.

China and Russia are building bridges. The symbolism is intentional | CNN

For decades the Amur River has separated modern China and Russia -- its waters cutting though more than 1,000 of their roughly 2,500 border miles. But it's always lacked one thing: a vehicle bridge.

www.cnn.com

China's 2022 trade with Russia hit record $190 bln - customs

China's trade with Russia hit a record 1.28 trillion yuan ($190 billion) last year, the government said on Friday, even as Russia's imports from the European Union fell on sanctions related to Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

www.reuters.com

 

[BigRed]

Crimes against humanity? And why should we believe anything the administration has to say? Why should we believe any of them. Russia. Ukraine. US government. China. Any of them. Why believe anything? What have they done to earn the trust of their constituents? They wasted public trust already.

You must want putin to win.
You must be a racist.
You must hate homos.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

 

[smokingman]

You must want putin to win.
You must be a racist.
You must hate homos.

You forgot conservative.

 

[BigRed]

You forgot conservative.

Crap... forgot that.

I should also add man married to wife raising kids in a traditional family as has been done for generations.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

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[DoggyDaddy]

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True story. My dad interviewed him for a job at the health department. Dad didn't hire him because he said he seemed "fake".

 

[jamil]

You forgot conservative.

Crap... forgot that.

I should also add man married to wife raising kids in a traditional family as has been done for generations.

Nah. Conservative is covered under racist. Conservatives are automatically racists because they're all white.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Nah. Conservative is covered under racist. Conservatives are automatically racists because they're all white.

Not all of them!

 

[jamil]

Not all of them!

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Now now. We're told that there's no such thing as Black conservatives because they're just saying the words of white people.

 

[BigRed]

Now now. We're told that there's no such thing as Black conservatives because they're just saying the words of white people.

"Overlords" can go straight back to Hell.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Now now. We're told that there's no such thing as Black conservatives because they're just saying the words of white people.

It was a Clayton Bigsby reference.

 

[jamil]

It was a Clayton Bigsby reference.

Ya. I did not get the reference.

 

[Brad69]

US Awards $522M Contracts for Artillery Shells for Ukraine

The US Army said that it had awarded $522 million in orders to two companies to manufacture 155 mm artillery ammunition for Ukraine.

www.thedefensepost.com

 

[smokingman]

US Awards $522M Contracts for Artillery Shells for Ukraine

The US Army said that it had awarded $522 million in orders to two companies to manufacture 155 mm artillery ammunition for Ukraine.

www.thedefensepost.com

Looks like the shells by Global ordnance will be made in Serbia with Fuses made by Northrup.
Global ordnance has their head quarters in Florida,but list manufacturing in Serbia.

At least in 2021 their 155mm production was,and was approved of by NATO then. The real manufacturing is done by Yugoimport SDPR J.P.(Yugo) of Serbia according to their own site.

2021 – Global Military Products

www.globalmilitaryproducts.com

Sloboda (company) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I wonder if Serbia is shooting for NATO membership?
That appears to be a no.

Relations with Serbia

Serbia is maintaining its political dialogue and cooperation with NATO on issues of common interest, with an important focus on support for democratic, institutional and defence reforms. While Serbia is pursuing European Union (EU) membership, unlike other Western Balkan partners, it does not...

www.nato.int

Global Ordnance currently makes zero 155mm shells in the USA.

Large Caliber Ammunition – Global Military Products

www.globalmilitaryproducts.com

They have a nice selection of pet products though(site reminds me of cheaperthandirt).

Global Ordnance

Global Ordnance

globalordnance.com

War Certainly Is A Racket | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Leadeye]

You would think that if the government was going to spend this money they would at least have Americans make the ordnance. Hunter working for them as a consultant?