Greenwood mall shooting

[thompal]

You dont know the whole Ruby Ridge story, do you?

Or Waco, or the Fast and Furious debacle, or any of a dozen other things.

And then there's Ray Epps.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Or Waco, or the Fast and Furious debacle, or any of a dozen other things.

And then there's Ray Epps.

And Gov Whitless. The Hutaree militia. And yeah too many more to name.

 

[Shadow01]

Different colored beard?

Shots fired…

 

[churchmouse]

From one of the news stories I saw, she sounds like she was an addict, lived in a shelter for awhile, and was such a miserable failure that the shooter's brother tried to get custody of him.

The mother fought against losing custody, probably because she'd lose the tax refund.

Or the benefit check. Have seen this when a family member dies the people fight for the kids as there is money to be made from the welfare state in many instances such as mom be a cracked out failure.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

From one of the news stories I saw, she sounds like she was an addict, lived in a shelter for awhile, and was such a miserable failure that the shooter's brother tried to get custody of him.

The mother fought against losing custody, probably because she'd lose the tax refund.

Yeah, I got some questions about that. From reading the court records on mycase, he did get custody. But why didn't the father file for it?

From the custody agreement her name is Michelle Newton. Searching that name turns up a bunch of cases but no divorce to his dad, another divorce. And that was just over a year before the brother filed for custody. I could have the wrong M Newton but the one I'm talking about has a bunch of traffic tickets/civil suits all around greenwood. So

Searching the dads name turns up absolutely nothing. Only thing I can think of they were divorced in another state.

Or the benefit check. Have seen this when a family member dies the people fight for the kids as there is money to be made from the welfare state in many instances such as mom be a cracked out failure.

That and child support.

 

[KLB]

Searching the dads name turns up absolutely nothing. Only thing I can think of they were divorced in another state.

Or never married

 

[KG1]

From one of the news stories I saw, she sounds like she was an addict, lived in a shelter for awhile, and was such a miserable failure that the shooter's brother tried to get custody of him.

The mother fought against losing custody, probably because she'd lose the tax refund.

Supposedly the parents divorced in 2017 and the father moved to Arizona. After the divorce is when she went through all that and that's when the perp went into foster care but there were some allegations of abuse by the perp I'm assuming and he got kicked out., so the brother and the mother battled for custody in 2018 after she supposedly got a nursing job and a place.

Wikipedia:

Jonathan Sapirman (born November 30, 2001 - July 17, 2022), the shooter, had no adult criminal history,[22] but had gotten into a fight while attending Greenwood High School in his hometown in Indiana, and was a juvenile runaway.[23] An article on Heavy.com said that Sapirman "was from a troubled family",[24] and his parents divorced in 2017 (with his father moving to Surprise, Arizona, and his mother subsequently losing her job). He lived in a motel until March 2017.[citation needed] Later during the year, Jonathan was later placed in a foster family at the Department of Child Services in Indianapolis, but was kicked out after an occurrence of abuse, and a guardianship petition was submitted by his older brother in 2018.

Heavy.com

Sapirman was from a troubled family, court records obtained by Heavy reveal, and his brother sought guardianship of him after his mother lost her job and ended up in a shelter after his parents divorced. He had a juvenile history of assault, including at school, those court records reveal. The mother battled the brother for custody after she started a career as a nurse.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Or never married

That's possible. But even then unless they were living out of state, there should still be paternity/child support records. I've seen them show up on mycase before, mine shows up on doxpop and I checked both.

 

[Ark]

From one of the news stories I saw, she sounds like she was an addict, lived in a shelter for awhile, and was such a miserable failure that the shooter's brother tried to get custody of him.

The mother fought against losing custody, probably because she'd lose the tax refund.

And Dad was so desperate to get away from her he moved to Arizona and left the kid behind.

Hot take incoming: The real number one cause of mass killings is borderline moms. Not one of these people comes from an intact family with a mom who isn't bugnuts crazy. The dads either pull the eject lever and run away, or turn into henpecked wimps who let mom's insanity run unchecked.

It's hard not to feel some sympathy. These little brats are the result of terrible parenting, unchecked narcissism, and an across-the-board failure of society to impose basic boundaries and expectations on people's behavior. It is a moral failing.

 

[KG1]

And Dad was so desperate to get away from her he moved to Arizona and left the kid behind.

Hot take incoming: The real number one cause of mass killings is borderline moms. Not one of these people comes from an intact family with a mom who isn't bugnuts crazy. The dads either pull the eject lever and run away, or turn into henpecked wimps who let mom's insanity run unchecked.

It's hard not to feel some sympathy. These little brats are the result of terrible parenting, unchecked narcissism, and an across-the-board failure of society to impose basic boundaries and expectations on people's behavior. It is a moral failing.

There does seem to be a theme developing of messed up parents, especially the mother in the last several cases. None of this is meant to excuse the actions of the mass killers but it's there, nonetheless. The toxic environment was part of the evil that brewed as an aftermath.

 

[chipbennett]

If shes a redhead, i already know not to get on her bad side.


Redheads good sides are bad enough

I'm the only redhead in the family. Both my grandfathers were redheads; apparently, I won that recessive-gene lottery.

 

[DragonGunner]

And Dad was so desperate to get away from her he moved to Arizona and left the kid behind.

Hot take incoming: The real number one cause of mass killings is borderline moms. Not one of these people comes from an intact family with a mom who isn't bugnuts crazy. The dads either pull the eject lever and run away, or turn into henpecked wimps who let mom's insanity run unchecked.

It's hard not to feel some sympathy. These little brats are the result of terrible parenting, unchecked narcissism, and an across-the-board failure of society to impose basic boundaries and expectations on people's behavior. It is a moral failing.

Good points. However not buying all the way into it. Plenty of killers and murderers that didn’t come from broken homes and broken mom and dads and plenty of kids with the worse broken family’s that grew up to be good people. Steve McQueen should of been a mass shooter. Broken family’s don’t help and do lead to problems and people need help. But I just think plenty out there that would confirm people from good family’s commit terriable acts as well. So has to be more than just pointing at a disfuntional mom or dad.

 

[nonobaddog]

And Dad was so desperate to get away from her he moved to Arizona and left the kid behind.

Hot take incoming: The real number one cause of mass killings is borderline moms. Not one of these people comes from an intact family with a mom who isn't bugnuts crazy. The dads either pull the eject lever and run away, or turn into henpecked wimps who let mom's insanity run unchecked.

It's hard not to feel some sympathy. These little brats are the result of terrible parenting, unchecked narcissism, and an across-the-board failure of society to impose basic boundaries and expectations on people's behavior. It is a moral failing.

It seems to me there are now more messed up moms and more societal failure than ever so there could be a bigger crop of the results coming.

 

[Ark]

It seems to me there are now more messed up moms and more societal failure than ever so there could be a bigger crop of the results coming.

Yep and it's because of politics and ideology. Unchecked female narcissism, the utter and complete neutering of men in society and the courts, the firehose of allowable drug use. The guardrails on women's behavior are completely gone and we wonder why so many of them immediately go off the cliff into insanity.

 

[nonobaddog]

Good points. However not buying all the way into it. Plenty of killers and murderers that didn’t come from broken homes and broken mom and dads and plenty of kids with the worse broken family’s that grew up to be good people. Steve McQueen should of been a mass shooter. Broken family’s don’t help and do lead to problems and people need help. But I just think plenty out there that would confirm people from good family’s commit terriable acts as well. So has to be more than just pointing at a disfuntional mom or dad.

Agree. There is definitely more to it. I don't think anybody expects this to be something simple. But it seems to be one risk factor. Others have pointed out that some types of prescription drugs may be another risk factor.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Or never married

Per Heavy they were divorced in OH.

Jonathan Sapirman, Greenwood Mall Suspect: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

Jonathan Sapirman was identified as the shooting suspect accused of gunning down three people and wounding two at Greenwood Mall in Indiana.

heavy.com

 

[churchmouse]

Good points. However not buying all the way into it. Plenty of killers and murderers that didn’t come from broken homes and broken mom and dads and plenty of kids with the worse broken family’s that grew up to be good people. Steve McQueen should of been a mass shooter. Broken family’s don’t help and do lead to problems and people need help. But I just think plenty out there that would confirm people from good family’s commit terriable acts as well. So has to be more than just pointing at a disfuntional mom or dad.

If you are subjected to a daily heavy dose of WTAF is happening in my life has it will tear the sole out of the weak of heart and mind. It is a contributing factor. A serious one.
Who really knows what makes the mind crumble and break. With some it’s not a lot outside the normal we we all see.
Who knows what goes in behind the closed doors of the house across the street.

 

[gregr]

I am not defending this murderous thug but do have a question.

Since when is posting a picture of a nazi illegal?

Since liberals began their "cleansing" campaign. Step out of line of their cultural police, and they`ll harass, stalk, intimidate, and otherwise do their very best to shut you down.

 

[eldirector]

Much like the MJ thread...

Correlation <> Causation

Do criminals (including murderers) often come from broken homes? Yes.
Do broken homes CAUSE someone to murder? No. At least, not 100% guarantee.

Would increasing the number of healthy, intact families (and decreasing the number of broken/unhealthy families) reduce the number of people who commit crimes? I suspect the data supports this.

 

[nonobaddog]

Would increasing the number of healthy, intact families (and decreasing the number of broken/unhealthy families) reduce the number of people who commit crimes? I suspect the data supports this.

Or the inverse of that statement...
Does decreasing the number of healthy, intact families increase the number of people who commit crimes?
I suspect so.

Now what group has policies that decrease the number of healthy, intact families, indeed even attack the concept?