Dr. Oz running for PA Senate seat ... as a Republican

[jamil]

I think that to you 'inability to handle when someone criticizes Trump' is actually exactly equivalent to 'refuses to passively accept my criticism of Trump', and then subsequently I am subjected to a treatise on how rational your decision making is and why mine is not - even though we both lack ANY provably correct data on how the other comes to decisions. IMO your default position is always that you are of course correct and all who disagree are low information/loose and shoddy thinkers

As far as what she has already articulated, it turned out I had no idea who she was until I looked it up. At first I thought it wa Ann Coulter. That particular clip is now the sum total of her body of work I'm familiar with and that is unlikely to change

I'll try to make it more apparent that it's an opinion if that helps.

And, she's more attractive than Ann Coulter. Obviously an opinion. Not trying to say you haven't researched it enough.

 

[Bigtanker]

Let's keep this on topic and not personal.

 

[KLB]

Oz also has dual citizenship with Turkey. How is someone loyal to 2 countries at once?

I'm not seeing any danger in dual citizenship. Is your fear that he would work for good of Turkey in the US Senate?

 

[jamil]

Let's keep this on topic and not personal.

Okay. I’ll try not to disparage the looks of Ann Coulter.

 

[TheTrooper]

I'm not seeing any danger in dual citizenship. Is your fear that he would work for good of Turkey in the US Senate?

Think of a man trying to explain to his wife of many years he now has "dual loyalty" with another woman. Would her reaction be warranted? This video might help.

 

[TheTrooper]

I'm not seeing any danger in dual citizenship. Is your fear that he would work for good of Turkey in the US Senate?

Another thought: Look at dual citizens in our current federal government, especially congress. Their actions make much more sense once you understand this. How can one swear an oath of loyalty to the Constitution yet be just as loyal to another frequently contradictory set of goals and objectives? #USSLiberty?

How can one be fully committed to 2 existing nation states? States? Counties? Families? Spouses? Individuals? Religions? Eventually you will end up making decisions that benefit one and not the other. Or worse, harm the other intentionally for gain of the prior.
Sometimes the harm is even premeditated.

 

[jamil]

I'm not seeing any danger in dual citizenship. Is your fear that he would work for good of Turkey in the US Senate?

I don't see a problem with dual citizenship as a rank and file resident of the US. But I do have a problem with an elected official at the national level that has dual loyalties. To be a representative of citizens of the US, I think such a person must have exclusive citizenship of the US. Period. It's not necessarily that he would work for the interests of Turkey. But he could. But either way, it's a conflict of interest.

It's like with any conflict of interest, it's best not to have any when you're in certain roles, to avoid the appearance of impropriety. It's important to retain the public trust. If he has to vote on some legislation that involves Turkey, to avoid the appearance of impropriety, and maintain the public trust, he should recuse himself. But then his constituents miss out because he can't vote on the matter, in representation of the people who voted for him.

 

[KLB]

I don't see a problem with dual citizenship as a rank and file resident of the US. But I do have a problem with an elected official at the national level that has dual loyalties. To be a representative of citizens of the US, I think such a person must have exclusive citizenship of the US. Period. It's not necessarily that he would work for the interests of Turkey. But he could. But either way, it's a conflict of interest.

It's like with any conflict of interest, it's best not to have any when you're in certain roles, to avoid the appearance of impropriety. It's important to retain the public trust. If he has to vote on some legislation that involves Turkey, to avoid the appearance of impropriety, and maintain the public trust, he should recuse himself. But then his constituents miss out because he can't vote on the matter, in representation of the people who voted for him.

So any person that had dual citizenship would be excluded from public office? I doubt you believe that suddenly giving up the other citizenship would change their decisions when it came to a vote. I also doubt you think that only those with dual-citizenship would possibly cast votes with the interests of another nation at mind.

 

[TheTrooper]

So any person that had dual citizenship would be excluded from public office? I doubt you believe that suddenly giving up the other citizenship would change their decisions when it came to a vote. I also doubt you think that only those with dual-citizenship would possibly cast votes with the interests of another nation at mind.

I believe you may want to read or re-read a few of these oaths. Dual oaths of these types inevitably make people open liars. I also think accepting this type of open and fundamental contradiction is a cancer to the individual and to the nation.
Another thought, if one does not ardently value Truth above all else, none of this will make much sense.

 

[KLB]

I believe you may want to read or re-read a few of these oaths. Dual oaths of these types inevitably make people open liars. I also think accepting this type of open and fundamental contradiction is a cancer to the individual and to the nation.
Another thought, if one does not ardently value Truth above all else, none of this will make much sense.

Most people never take an oath of citizenship. Dual citizenship is often due to inheriting it from a parent.

 

[rob63]

His dual citizenship bothers me a lot less than his history of dual positions on issues depending upon which side he is talking to.

 

[BugI02]

Still better than any Democrat, which leads directly to the question of who had the better chance to prevail in a statewide election, Oz or McCormick

Sometimes the end does justify the means

 

[jamil]

So any person that had dual citizenship would be excluded from public office? I doubt you believe that suddenly giving up the other citizenship would change their decisions when it came to a vote. I also doubt you think that only those with dual-citizenship would possibly cast votes with the interests of another nation at mind.

Has or had?

It's my understanding that Oz HAS dual citizenship with Turkey. I think people who have dual citizenship should not be allowed to serve in congress, or any higher office, unless the citizenship with the other country is renounced.

If Oz HAD dual citizenship then I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Now do Ted Cruz

Sure. Ted Cruz is only a citizen of the US, he has no other citizenship with any other country. He renounced his Canadian citizenship a few months after he found out he had dual citizenship. He didn't go to Canada and join the military to keep it.

 

[KLB]

Has or had?

It's my understanding that Oz HAS dual citizenship with Turkey. I think people who have dual citizenship should not be allowed to serve in congress, or any higher office, unless the citizenship with the other country is renounced.

If Oz HAD dual citizenship then I don't have a problem with that.

Why does it matter? You think that if a person was going to serve in congress to try to further the goals of some other country that they wouldn't be willing to renounce the other to do so?

Personally, I am much more concerned about those that take money to further the goals of other countries.

What about those that don't even realize they have dual citizenship?

 

[jamil]

Why does it matter? You think that if a person was going to serve in congress to try to further the goals of some other country that they wouldn't be willing to renounce the other to do so?

Personally, I am much more concerned about those that take money to further the goals of other countries.

What about those that don't even realize they have dual citizenship?

To avoid the appearance of impropriety. I’m more concerned about those who take money to further the goals of other countries too. But my capacity to have concerns isn’t limited to just one. There’s no reason I should prioritize that at the expense of the other.

 

[KLB]

To avoid the appearance of impropriety. I’m more concerned about those who take money to further the goals of other countries too. But my capacity to have concerns isn’t limited to just one. There’s no reason I should prioritize that at the expense of the other.

So, what of those that don't know or think about the fact that they have dual citizenship?

There is obviously a line, but I would leave that to the voters. If Joe Jetsetter is a dual citizen, living half his time in another country, then the voters can decide if he is the right one to represent them.

For me it would depend upon the totality of the situation. Office, other country of citizenship, and the history of the candidate

 

[Ingomike]

To avoid the appearance of impropriety. I’m more concerned about those who take money to further the goals of other countries too. But my capacity to have concerns isn’t limited to just one. There’s no reason I should prioritize that at the expense of the other.

I actually do not like former elected officials becoming lobbyists for other countries…

 

[BigRed]

Should "oz" be elected, I am fully confident he will meet any expectations I would have of him.

 

[BugI02]

Where do all the folks stand who were arguing on INGO that, rather than shun it as a deviant, we should welcome Caitlyn Jenner as a California republican because it was saying republican things

Is lip service the only thing that counts?