"I see a bad moon risin'

[Jon Smith]

This was a really good thread. I feel so much better. I used to feel like I was an oddball because we still canned foods, we save foil and wash out zip lock baggies. (i would never wash out the old flap top baggies) Shoot, I even thought about reloading all of the brass that I saved. Ha, ha, ha! We do need to be ready to all hang together given this political climate. This is America, We can all have differing opinions and still stand shoulder to shoulder for what is right.
Thanks Guys!

 

[JeepHammer]

I don't disagree. Pence was an embarrassment to our state and our nation and I have my own theory how he even ended up on the Trump ticket. But this actually illustrates that this trend towards fascism is not exclusive to one party over another, but rather both parties are simply two sides of the same coin, intend on ruling with a vision of securing their ideology that only succeeds if they silence and eliminate the opposition. Criticism of one side is not tacit approval of the other.

I'll go one further, the open conspiracy that actually exists...

Its big business buying Congress (both sides) to keep a working peasant class.

By keeping the population divided with fabricated 'Hot Button' issues we ignore what's in the open, and it works quite well.

If we weren't tearing ourselves apart, and directed that energy at the people at the top pulling the strings, they would be out on their butts in the next election cycle (or sooner if the justice department started doing investigations they are currently restricted from).

I thought a democracy's flaw was that the majority got everything they wanted. While in a representative republic the minority still carried weight. Meaning, democracy votes, 60-40. The 60% get everything they want and the 40% get nothing. Same vote in rep. republic, the 60 get most of what they want, but the 40 still have weight/say.
Pence was a weak leader.

This should be basic knowledge...

That's why we have a Constitution, to keep a 'Majority' from infringing on basic human rights of any minority.

While the folks with a religious slant *Think* they have "God Given Rights",
In fact it's the Constitution that grants, and protects the individual or group rights.

Its the Constitution that protects your right to have/practice your chosen religion, otherwise the government gets to dictate what, if any, religion is allowed to be practiced/observed.

When the Constitution is observed and put into practice, the courts decide what is constitutional and what's not.
The courts being granted the power to arbitrate disagreements by the Constitution.

I don't express a religious opinion, I really don't care what your religion is as long as you recognize your religion doesn't infringe on my constitutional protected rights.

If that religion mandates you infringe on the constitutional rights of others,
Then I consider you an enemy of the Constitution & the United States.

The same goes with ideology.
If your ideology mandates you infringe on others constitutional rights, then you are an enemy of the United States.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to scream for blood,
We have laws (and punishments) about how to deal with ACTIVE threats to the rights of others, and those are rooted in the Constitution.
Punishments to fit the crimes against others under the laws & Constitution.

.......

Its about balance,
When someone does something stupid/illegal on the highway I just avoid those people and/or report them to law if overly dangerous.

I'm NOT going to escalate the situation by being as stupid/dangerous as the original offender.
"Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right"
And I'm not about to let an idiot/criminal control MY actions.

I'm not about to run around in silly costumes or quote bumper stickers endlessly...
See droopy pants hanging off the butt or MAGA clothing.
Never was into fads, not about to start at my age.

No pet rocks, no beanie babies, no disco shoes,
Oversize eyeware has always been safety oriented instead of fashion, and you won't get much work done in disco shoes when work boots are what is required.

After 12 presidential administrations I keep seeing the same promises broken, the same illegal actions overlooked, the money concentrate at the top 1%, and the people keep calling for the same crap over & over.

One of the definitions of insanity is doing the same thing over & over,
But expecting different results.

Not a new idea, but very much to the point...
Vote for no one that doesn't consider TERM LIMITS top priority,
Take soft, gray and 'Dark' money out of elections.

Without that, we as a nation are going nowhere, and doing it agonizingly slowly...

 

[JeepHammer]

This was a really good thread. I feel so much better. I used to feel like I was an oddball because we still canned foods, we save foil and wash out zip lock baggies. (i would never wash out the old flap top baggies) Shoot, I even thought about reloading all of the brass that I saved. Ha, ha, ha! We do need to be ready to all hang together given this political climate. This is America, We can all have differing opinions and still stand shoulder to shoulder for what is right.
Thanks Guys!

I don't much care what someone's religion, political agenda, race, sexual orientation is if they are good neighbors and raise their kids to be good neighbors...

Its real hard to argue with full mouths around the dinner table or when you are getting actual work done.

That might be simplistic, but getting the work done has always pulled folks out of bad times, and supported them in good times.

Its hard to insult someone that's helping/helped you get the work done, and you have respect for the work they do when it's done...

Use what you NEED, reuse/repurpose when you can.

So many have forgotten that simple line of thinking.

 

[Tombs]

I think all of this was a lost cause the moment people stopped putting serious pressure on the education system to embrace traditional American values.

You can't un-**** a situation that has been created by multiple decades of un-checked brainwashing of the next generation to be the henchmen for your rape and pillaging of a nation.

20 years ago if you suggested forcing vaccines on the general populous, it wouldn't matter what side of the political isle you were on, you would have been regarded as a complete and total ****ing nutcase. Today they're suggesting it's the only option that isn't "radical."

I don't see a way that this problem is resolved without significant violence.

 

[Tombs]

This should be basic knowledge...

That's why we have a Constitution, to keep a 'Majority' from infringing on basic human rights of any minority.

While the folks with a religious slant *Think* they have "God Given Rights",
In fact it's the Constitution that grants, and protects the individual or group rights.

Its the Constitution that protects your right to have/practice your chosen religion, otherwise the government gets to dictate what, if any, religion is allowed to be practiced/observed.

This is an example of a person the education system has failed.

They are not rights in a modern sense. They are restrictions on government jurisdiction. What the constitution calls rights are nothing more than an instruction for legislation that it can not encroach on those matters.

As ignorance has spread and people have taken to the concept of them being some flowery idea of human rights, it has allowed the system to whittle down and abolish those things.

 

[Leadeye]

I wonder if Howard Ruff's books are selling again?

 

[manifest destiny]

That's why we have a Constitution, to keep a 'Majority' from infringing on basic human rights of any minority.

While the folks with a religious slant *Think* they have "God Given Rights",
In fact it's the Constitution that grants, and protects the individual or group rights.

The constitution doesn't grant any rights. Our rights are unalienable. We're born with our rights.

 

[Joniki]

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Doom aside, that Linda Hamilton was a looker, I'll tell you what.

 

[phylodog]

While the folks with a religious slant *Think* they have "God Given Rights",
In fact it's the Constitution that grants, and protects the individual or group rights.

********. Our government can collapse tomorrow and I still have my rights. I don't need permission from other people who have no right to control how I live so long as I'm hurting no one else. I don't exist at the whim of other men.

 

[manifest destiny]

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Ouch! Rough, but I'd close my eyes and take one for John Connor's success against the machines.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I think something that went under the radar was Janet Yellen talking about " unrealized capital gains". MUMBLES has purposed hiring 87,000 new IRS agents over next 10 years. They want to go after the Billionaires to pay off their insane spending........just like the Income Tax was only for the Millionaires when it came out.(How did that work out?) Her definition would amount to for example your home value increasing.You paid $30 K 30 years ago.It now is worth $300K. That would be a $270 increase taxed at 40% for a tax of $108K due now. Your 401k 50K investment has increased to $250k...40%= a tax on $200K,you would owe $80 K now or retirement. Who knows
We all know billionaires know how to avoid taxes,and if this passes,the billionaires will not be paying the bill,We will.We are in their crosshairs. 40% of the money has been printed in the last two years.Higher the cost of inflation,higher tax on gains.
They have a plan,but I am afraid we will be the suckers when SHTF.

 

[phylodog]

I think something that went under the radar was Janet Yellen talking about " unrealized capital gains". MUMBLES has purposed hiring 87,000 new IRS agents over next 10 years. They want to go after the Billionaires to pay off their insane spending........just like the Income Tax was only for the Millionaires when it came out.(How did that work out?) Her definition would amount to for example your home value increasing.You paid $30 K 30 years ago.It now is worth $300K. That would be a $270 increase taxed at 40% for a tax of $108K due now. Your 401k 50K investment has increased to $250k...40%= a tax on $200K,you would owe $80 K now or retirement. Who knows
We all know billionaires know how to avoid taxes,and if this passes,the billionaires will not be paying the bill,We will.We are in their crosshairs. 40% of the money has been printed in the last two years.Higher the cost of inflation,higher tax on gains.
They have a plan,but I am afraid we will be the suckers when SHTF.

Over my dead body

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Over my dead body

Yep

 

[JeepHammer]

********. Our government can collapse tomorrow and I still have my rights. I don't need permission from other people who have no right to control how I live so long as I'm hurting no one else. I don't exist at the whim of other men.

The constitution doesn't grant any rights. Our rights are unalienable. We're born with our rights.

After 16 years in the Marines, and seeing what happens when governments collapse or endorse things like "Ethnic Cleansing" or religious wars...

I can tell you right now it's not going to turn out like you *Think* it will.

*IF*...
You are the 'right' religion or ethnicity,
You will still have to deal with anyone & everyone that has a grudge.

You will still have to deal with your same religious/ethnic group competing for what little food, medicine & fuel there is to aquire.

You will still have to protect against criminals that have more people, more guns, and are better orgizined than you when law enforcement collapses and they can operate out in the open.

And if you do manage to still have cops around, I can guarantee you they will be as corrupt as the thugs...
They have bellies to feed also.

This isn't just random internet chatter...
From regime changes in Central & South America, to Africa, to the Middle East, to Eastern Europe in my tours of duty.

One line on a map made the same people 'Freedom Fighters' or 'Insurgents/Revolutionaries'.
One side of that line we equipped, trained & supported them, the other side of that line we were supposed to shoot them.

See the last 20 years of war in the Middle East as an example...
Didn't matter if it was a local with a rifle hunting dinner, or protecting herds/crops,
See someone carrying a weapon and we fired on them,
Sometimes even our own military/allies...

I'm not sure everyone thinks they won't get a scratch if it comes to a shooting insurgency, or even a blockade,
And I have no idea why they think there won't be starvation/disease if it comes to that...
Particularly since every single serious 'Military Action' has brought disease & starvation with it since the history of wars...

World wide, and pretty much thought history about 3% of any given population is in the military...
The other 97% were civilians and/or non-combatants.

WWII saw about 75 million dead as direct results of that war while about 20 million of those casualties were military.
That's 55 Million dead that didn't directly take part in the military...

If the numbers hold for a war the size of Viet Nam...
Best estimates is over 1.3 million dead, military casualties being about 900k.
That's still 400,000 dead civilians.

I'm curious how anyone thinks *They* won't be one of the casualties, dead, disabled, with the randomness of war...
And all the chaos war brings.

When I was a child I though as a child,
I acted as a child,
(10 foot tall & bullet proof).

After being shot twice,
Survived 2 explosive attacks,
Half dozen vehicle wrecks,
Three aircraft crashes,

The 5 breaks and 3 missing disks in my lower back,
The two breaks in my neck and 3 missing disks,
The 2-1/2 pounds of exotic brackets, wire, pins & screws,
The artificial hip and two artificial knees...

As an adult, I think as an adult, act as an adult.
I know full well I'm mortal and relatively fragile, and the end can very well come, sooner than later...

I recommend thinking twice about starting any kind of shooting.
If the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem is seen as a nail and things go badly...

 

[BigRed]

In fact it's the Constitution that grants, and protects the individual or group rights.

 

[phylodog]

After 16 years in the Marines, and seeing what happens when governments collapse or endorse things like "Ethnic Cleansing" or religious wars...

I can tell you right now it's not going to turn out like you *Think* it will.

*IF*...
You are the 'right' religion or ethnicity,
You will still have to deal with anyone & everyone that has a grudge.

You will still have to deal with your same religious/ethnic group competing for what little food, medicine & fuel there is to aquire.

You will still have to protect against criminals that have more people, more guns, and are better orgizined than you when law enforcement collapses and they can operate out in the open.

And if you do manage to still have cops around, I can guarantee you they will be as corrupt as the thugs...
They have bellies to feed also.

This isn't just random internet chatter...
From regime changes in Central & South America, to Africa, to the Middle East, to Eastern Europe in my tours of duty.

One line on a map made the same people 'Freedom Fighters' or 'Insurgents/Revolutionaries'.
One side of that line we equipped, trained & supported them, the other side of that line we were supposed to shoot them.

See the last 20 years of war in the Middle East as an example...
Didn't matter if it was a local with a rifle hunting dinner, or protecting herds/crops,
See someone carrying a weapon and we fired on them,
Sometimes even our own military/allies...

I'm not sure everyone thinks they won't get a scratch if it comes to a shooting insurgency, or even a blockade,
And I have no idea why they think there won't be starvation/disease if it comes to that...
Particularly since every single serious 'Military Action' has brought disease & starvation with it since the history of wars...

World wide, and pretty much thought history about 3% of any given population is in the military...
The other 97% were civilians and/or non-combatants.

WWII saw about 75 million dead as direct results of that war while about 20 million of those casualties were military.
That's 55 Million dead that didn't directly take part in the military...

If the numbers hold for a war the size of Viet Nam...
Best estimates is over 1.3 million dead, military casualties being about 900k.
That's still 400,000 dead civilians.

I'm curious how anyone thinks *They* won't be one of the casualties, dead, disabled, with the randomness of war...
And all the chaos war brings.

When I was a child I though as a child,
I acted as a child,
(10 foot tall & bullet proof).

After being shot twice,
Survived 2 explosive attacks,
Half dozen vehicle wrecks,
Three aircraft crashes,

The 5 breaks and 3 missing disks in my lower back,
The two breaks in my neck and 3 missing disks,
The 2-1/2 pounds of exotic brackets, wire, pins & screws,
The artificial hip and two artificial knees...

As an adult, I think as an adult, act as an adult.
I know full well I'm mortal and relatively fragile, and the end can very well come, sooner than later...

I recommend thinking twice about starting any kind of shooting.
If the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem is seen as a nail and things go badly...

After 16 years in the Marines I’d have thought you’d have learned to hold your tongue if you don’t know who you’re talking to, where they’ve been or what they’ve experienced.

If you can read any of my posts and conclude that I’m looking for a fight you’re seeing something that isn’t there. I’ve said more than a few times here, don’t start none, won’t be none. You and your ilk stay the **** away from me and don’t try to force me to bend to your corrupt beliefs or pay for them and we won’t have a problem. I’ve spilled blood and have no desire to do it again. That said, I’m also not going to roll over and cave in to evil because it’s more convenient than standing my ground.

Thanks for your service

 

[manifest destiny]

After 16 years in the Marines, and seeing what happens when governments collapse or endorse things like "Ethnic Cleansing" or religious wars...

I can tell you right now it's not going to turn out like you *Think* it will.

*IF*...
You are the 'right' religion or ethnicity,
You will still have to deal with anyone & everyone that has a grudge.

You will still have to deal with your same religious/ethnic group competing for what little food, medicine & fuel there is to aquire.

You will still have to protect against criminals that have more people, more guns, and are better orgizined than you when law enforcement collapses and they can operate out in the open.

And if you do manage to still have cops around, I can guarantee you they will be as corrupt as the thugs...
They have bellies to feed also.

This isn't just random internet chatter...
From regime changes in Central & South America, to Africa, to the Middle East, to Eastern Europe in my tours of duty.

One line on a map made the same people 'Freedom Fighters' or 'Insurgents/Revolutionaries'.
One side of that line we equipped, trained & supported them, the other side of that line we were supposed to shoot them.

See the last 20 years of war in the Middle East as an example...
Didn't matter if it was a local with a rifle hunting dinner, or protecting herds/crops,
See someone carrying a weapon and we fired on them,
Sometimes even our own military/allies...

I'm not sure everyone thinks they won't get a scratch if it comes to a shooting insurgency, or even a blockade,
And I have no idea why they think there won't be starvation/disease if it comes to that...
Particularly since every single serious 'Military Action' has brought disease & starvation with it since the history of wars...

World wide, and pretty much thought history about 3% of any given population is in the military...
The other 97% were civilians and/or non-combatants.

WWII saw about 75 million dead as direct results of that war while about 20 million of those casualties were military.
That's 55 Million dead that didn't directly take part in the military...

If the numbers hold for a war the size of Viet Nam...
Best estimates is over 1.3 million dead, military casualties being about 900k.
That's still 400,000 dead civilians.

I'm curious how anyone thinks *They* won't be one of the casualties, dead, disabled, with the randomness of war...
And all the chaos war brings.

When I was a child I though as a child,
I acted as a child,
(10 foot tall & bullet proof).

After being shot twice,
Survived 2 explosive attacks,
Half dozen vehicle wrecks,
Three aircraft crashes,

The 5 breaks and 3 missing disks in my lower back,
The two breaks in my neck and 3 missing disks,
The 2-1/2 pounds of exotic brackets, wire, pins & screws,
The artificial hip and two artificial knees...

As an adult, I think as an adult, act as an adult.
I know full well I'm mortal and relatively fragile, and the end can very well come, sooner than later...

I recommend thinking twice about starting any kind of shooting.
If the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem is seen as a nail and things go badly...

Hey Jeep, I don't know you, but your post seems somber. And describes what sounds like heavy burdens to bear. If you need help I'm sure somebody on the forum can help you find some mental reinforcement, so to speak. Your reply to my post seems disconnected and confusing. And certainly I didn't perceive anyone, including me, looking for a fight or conflict. Take some time for yourself or ask for help if you need it. There's no shame.

 

[JeepHammer]

I'm just wondering why some people think they will come out smelling like a rose if society collapses?

Its not happened to any side in any war in history, everybody loses to one degree or another.
Just wondering why some think they will be the exceptions?

 

[phylodog]

I'm just wondering why some people think they will come out smelling like a rose if society collapses?

Its not happened to any side in any war in history, everybody loses to one degree or another.
Just wondering why some think they will be the exceptions?

I never claimed I would. I want no part of it but there are a hell of a lot of people who won’t stop pushing until they get a reaction. I’ve spent 26 years wearing a uniform and carrying a gun. I much prefer to live out my days in peace but I’ll not sacrifice what I believe in to avoid violence.

Talk to your people, find moderation and it becomes a non issue. Continued efforts to move toward socialism are guaranteed to cause a lot of heart ache.

 

[JeepHammer]

After 16 years in the Marines I’d have thought you’d have learned to hold your tongue if you don’t know who you’re talking to, where they’ve been or what they’ve experienced.

If you can read any of my posts and conclude that I’m looking for a fight you’re seeing something that isn’t there. I’ve said more than a few times here, don’t start none, won’t be none. You and your ilk stay the **** away from me and don’t try to force me to bend to your corrupt beliefs or pay for them and we won’t have a problem. I’ve spilled blood and have no desire to do it again. That said, I’m also not going to roll over and cave in to evil because it’s more convenient than standing my ground.

Thanks for your service

So because I don't agree with you,
And I can prove things won't go the way you think,
I'm 'Evil' & 'Corrupt',
And somehow trying to 'Force' you into doing something you don't want to do?

No one is making you a 'victim' of anything.

I'm just hoping NO ONE less crazy than Charles Manson, Hitler, etc. thinks a political, religious or ethnic war is a 'Good Idea'.

If they do think it's a good idea, then I'm hoping people see it for the crazy idea it is...