Crew member killed when shot by prop gun on set of Baldwin movie

[bwframe]

Gun Guy speaking on this on WIBC right now. LEO movie technical advisor on with Guy...

WIBC, 93.1 FM, Indianapolis, IN | Free Internet Radio | TuneIn

WIBC - WIBC News is Indianapolis’ leading source for news, weather, sports, and engaging discussions—available for free on TuneIn! To listen to WIBC Radio, click the button to get your daily WIBC Radio news and talk. In addition to regular WIBC content,...

tunein.com

I suppose a live round might sneak in on a gun belt loop.

At close range a 45 LC 250 grain lead bullet is going through anybody in front of it.

The movie firearm tech guy that the Gun Guy had on his show mentioned shaking the dummy rounds to hear the BB inside. First I have heard of dummy rounds with a BB inside. Do you put a BB inside when you load dummy rounds?

 

[Alpo]

In 30 years I have never seen a 19 or a 24 year old that had the knowledge, poise, wisdom and maturity and other attributes necessary to be an Armor on a set. I don't think I have seen one under 40. The 24 year old in question did not pull a trigger that I am aware of in this situation. Comparing the two seems absurd to me

Depends on what your experience is. Ask a Marine if he has the poise to handle a movie crew.

 

[actaeon277]

Depends on what your experience is. Ask a Marine if he has the poise to handle a movie crew.

There's been quite a few veterans that then went on to be "advisors".

 

[Butch627]

Here is what my curiosity wants to know...
Were the guns on the cart unattended?
Why was at least one loaded? And what was it loaded with?
Why weren't the actions all open since they weren't in use?
Given the AD grabbed the gun off the cart, why would there be an assumption it was a "cold gun" without checking?
Who's job is it normally to handle the gun and give it to the actor?

These are all very valid questions and most of them will be addressed in court.

The only part I can answer is that it is 10,000 percent against the rules for the AD to touch the gun or make the call that it is cold. They are only to be handled by a experienced prop person as determined by the Armor, the Armor, and the Actor. I have never seen nor heard of someone outside that group being in that chain or handling the gun in the framework of a scene..

Of course the Armor will let a director or someone else handle a weapon that has clearly been shown to be empty and safe for discussion purposes but that is not germaine to this discussion

 

[thunderchicken]

First requirement is to have spent at least 10 years working your way up the ladder so you know how to deal with the personalities, departments ,procedures, and how a film set operates. Then you have to know how to have authority and respect of the crew and pompous asses like Alec Baldwin. Everyone on set must know that if they do not follow your rules you will lock the guns up until you have unquestioned authority within your responsibilities. You must know and understand all the industry rules given to you and how to apply and adapt them to all the situations you will come across on set.
The Armor in question had none of that.

Ok, then I have to wonder who hired such an inexperienced armorer and why. Is it possible this armorer was supposed to be overseen by another mor experienced armorer?
Was she hired so that the director or producer(s) could skirt industry standards either to cut costs or to get action scenes on tape that might be different?

 

[Alpo]

There's been quite a few veterans that then went on to be "advisors".

Yeah. How old were you when they gave you the keys to a nuclear reactor?

 

[thunderchicken]

These are all very valid questions and most of them will be addressed in court.

The only part I can answer is that it is 10,000 percent against the rules for the AD to touch the gun or make the call that it is cold. They are only to be handled by a experienced prop person as determined by the Armor, the Armor, and the Actor. I have never seen nor heard of someone outside that group being in that chain or handling the gun in the framework of a scene..

Of course the Armor will let a director or someone else handle a weapon that has clearly been shown to be empty and safe for discussion purposes but that is not germaine to this discussion

That makes sense.

 

[Butch627]

There's been quite a few veterans that then went on to be "advisors".

Absolutely and many of them become armors but some people here seem to think they could just stroll in on their first day on a set and fulfill the position of an Armor because they know the 4 rules lol. Advisors sit back and discuss things with the DP, stunt guys, and directors. They are mostly asked how to do something and give opinions. They could do this on their first day out of the service providing they are prepared to deal with people they will probably consider to be idiots and who may not listen to reason.

 

[hoosierdoc]

You can't rely on the 4 safety rules to be safe on a movie set.
Actors have to point guns (real or not) at each other and pull the trigger.
It's why they need to use prop guns and have armorers on set to make sure it's still safe.



That scene wouldn't be as good if Indy kept his gun pointed down with his finger off the trigger.

Can you please define a "prop gun' and how it is different than a gun?

 

[Butch627]

The movie firearm tech guy that the Gun Guy had on his show mentioned shaking the dummy rounds to hear the BB inside. First I have heard of dummy rounds with a BB inside. Do you put a BB inside when you load dummy rounds?

yes

 

[Tombs]

Imagine that.

 

[hoosierdoc]

When I'm in the hospital there are certain drugs i have to push, nurses aren't allowed to. It's forbidden to have a syringe with a medication in it laying around that is not labeled.

If i ask for a drug and a nurse hands me a syringe and i inject it, but it turns out something else is in there than i was told, i am legally screwed if there is a bad outcome. As is the nurse.

Ideally i watch it get drawn up and confirm the label, concentration, and dose.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Regarding rant... I have heard conflicting stories. I heard one he said if they made.him refilm the scene he would shoot them and then pulled the trigger. Now it's an anti-trump rant. Another report said no evidence anything was actually said.

But I also heard cameras were rolling... So which is it?

 

[thunderchicken]

Imagine that.

Interesting

 

[Alpo]

Imagine that.

Source? Link?

 

[Tombs]

Source? Link?

Capped from a scrubbed article.

No one knows what actually happened at this point.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Baldwin and others use the deaths of people to push for gun control. Only fair to use a similar circumstance to mock them IMO. Whike it sucks all around, seems like the left standing on corpses to grandstand isn't any different, yet they're upset now.

Lauren Boebert slammed after trolling Alec Baldwin over Halyna Hutchins shooting

Outspoken Republican congresswoman and pro-gun activist Lauren Boebert is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons again after trolling actor Alec Baldwin over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film Rust.Hutchins, 42, was airlifted to hospital in New Mexico after...

www.indy100.com

 

[Tombs]

Baldwin and others use the deaths of people to push for gun control. Only fair to use a similar circumstance to mock them IMO. Whike it sucks all around, seems like the left standing on corpses to grandstand isn't any different, yet they're upset now.

Lauren Boebert slammed after trolling Alec Baldwin over Halyna Hutchins shooting

Outspoken Republican congresswoman and pro-gun activist Lauren Boebert is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons again after trolling actor Alec Baldwin over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film Rust.Hutchins, 42, was airlifted to hospital in New Mexico after...

www.indy100.com

Hilarious that they'd have the gall to even present this talking point.

That's been their no.1 hobby in life, especially since the vaccine roll out.

 

[Alpo]

Capped from a scrubbed article.

No one knows what actually happened at this point.

So, a non-credible source?

Why post garbage?

 

[Alpo]

Baldwin and others use the deaths of people to push for gun control. Only fair to use a similar circumstance to mock them IMO. Whike it sucks all around, seems like the left standing on corpses to grandstand isn't any different, yet they're upset now.

Lauren Boebert slammed after trolling Alec Baldwin over Halyna Hutchins shooting

Outspoken Republican congresswoman and pro-gun activist Lauren Boebert is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons again after trolling actor Alec Baldwin over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film Rust.Hutchins, 42, was airlifted to hospital in New Mexico after...

www.indy100.com

Doesn't bother me at all to slam Baldwin as one of the producers on the film for not having a safe set.