Crew member killed when shot by prop gun on set of Baldwin movie

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    Hkindiana

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    I was in a low budget movie a couple of years ago, and they used NO AMMUNITION. It was all CGI, and when the movie came out, it looked pretty good. I have noticed LOTS of CGI muzzle flashes and gunshots on crime shows in the last few years. Hint to hollywood - not EVERY muzzle flash is an identical four pointed star.
     

    patience0830

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    Sure...it's pretty clear he is not being given any benefit of the doubt based primarily upon what people think of him personally. Do you really expect people to come out and say: "he's at fault because he's anti-gun".? ...yet we get pretty close.

    I stand on my observation.

    And again....why do we want to be like "them"? Let "them" make leaps of logic in the absence of fact. I'll try to be as objective as I can.
    Just giving them a little taste of their own medicine, Hough.
     

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    Going to throw out a possibly stupid question here, but should there have not been precautions in place? Should there not have been a record of chain of custody for the ”prop”

    I think most of us here check the status every time a handgun is handled. Why would that not be common practice even for the elites.
     

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    Going to throw out a possibly stupid question here, but should there have not been precautions in place? Should there not have been a record of chain of custody for the ”prop”

    I think most of us here check the status every time a handgun is handled. Why would that not be common practice even for the elites.
    Yes and the procedure was violated. Someone will pay.
     

    indykid

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    Going to throw out a possibly stupid question here, but should there have not been precautions in place? Should there not have been a record of chain of custody for the ”prop”

    I think most of us here check the status every time a handgun is handled. Why would that not be common practice even for the elites.
    Not common practice because they probably don’t know how to properly handle a firearm and because of their hate of firearms don’t take the time to learn and practice.
     

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    From someone in the industry.......

    Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon.

    As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol.
     

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    Not common practice because they probably don’t know how to properly handle a firearm and because of their hate of firearms don’t take the time to learn and practice.
    Ok in this specific incident are you refering to the propmaster, armor, their assistants, 1st AD, or who? What is the common practice as you know it?
     

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    BREAKING !

    The armorer and assistant director who handed off a fatal prop gun to Alec Baldwin have been identified, after it was revealed that crew members walked off the set over safety concerns before the tragic shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

    A search warrant released Friday said that armorer Hanna Gutierrez laid out three prop guns on a cart outside the filming location, and assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds.

    'Cold gun!' shouted Halls before handing the gun to Baldwin, using the phrase to signal the cast and crew that the gun was safe to fire for the scene. Seconds later, Baldwin pulled the trigger, accidentally killing Hutchins as she stood behind the camera.

    A call sheet from the set identified the armorer's name as Hanna Gutierrez Reed, according to the Wall Street Journal. Gutierrez-Reed, 24, is the daughter of legendary armorer and firearms consultant Thell Reed, who trained her from a young age, she said in a recent podcast interview.
     

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    From someone in the industry.......

    Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon.

    As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol.
    AD assistant director? Not intending to be sarcastic just trying to follow along.
     

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    See post #173
    My paychecks have mostly been issued by EP or C&C since 1991, since the person I quoted was talking about common practice I wanted to hear his version of it.

    Your last couple of posts were most informative, I think the AD will be liable for charges, I have never seen an AD touch a weapon. If it wasn't the 1st AD then its a wow x10
     

    Butch627

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    BREAKING !

    The armorer and assistant director who handed off a fatal prop gun to Alec Baldwin have been identified, after it was revealed that crew members walked off the set over safety concerns before the tragic shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

    A search warrant released Friday said that armorer Hanna Gutierrez laid out three prop guns on a cart outside the filming location, and assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds.

    'Cold gun!' shouted Halls before handing the gun to Baldwin, using the phrase to signal the cast and crew that the gun was safe to fire for the scene. Seconds later, Baldwin pulled the trigger, accidentally killing Hutchins as she stood behind the camera.

    A call sheet from the set identified the armorer's name as Hanna Gutierrez Reed, according to the Wall Street Journal. Gutierrez-Reed, 24, is the daughter of legendary armorer and firearms consultant Thell Reed, who trained her from a young age, she said in a recent podcast interview.
    Can you give a link to this article?

    Mostly every Armor I have come across has been an old crusty guy who everyone on the set is a bit intimidated by, me thinks they bullied and disrespected a young girl and her authority. How the AD had unfettered access to the gun is another story of a probably undermanned undiciplinedoverworked crew
     
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