I don’t feel safe

[Itchytriggerfinger]

Buy a shotgun.
Learn to use it.
The end.

 

[Cameramonkey]

You’re not wrong as well as others owning is fine but I don’t feel the need to carry outside of my house there’s to many people around anywhere I go and I take precautions when I walk out my door it’s only when I’m home that concerns me and it’s not lack of control or temper I’m a relaxed type due to child hood trauma and I don’t like grudges they don’t make sense to me I’m one for words before action confrontation normally triggers my ptsd from the abuse but I coop with it pretty well since over the years it’s something you can’t always shy away from

So you think bad things only happen at home and that is why you dont need to carry? If that (VERY FLAWED) logic is correct, all you need to do is just move. If the bad guys arent going to touch you out and about 110%, and are only going to bother you at your current address, then the safest thing to do is move. (and dont tell them) They keep stalking the one place you say isnt safe and you live happily ever after somewhere else. (and no need to buy a gun!)

So the Dracos were flashed while they were in your living room? No? Then why do you think you dont need a gun outside your home? Because outside the home appears to be where the threat is.

I'm sorry, but you really need to rethink your OPSEC. It is irrational.

 

[Route 45]

If you REALLY want to trigger the fear/flee instinct,
A squirt bottle of kerosene or lighter fluid and lighter works quite well.
(Don't use gasoline, too low a vapor point, too easy to accidently ignite)

Every human has a fear of fire, and if you have to follow through it's going to be a horrific mess...
But YOU won't be the dead one.

That seems like a reasonable option. Carry around a squirt bottle filled with kerosene and set your attacker on fire.

This is the kind of high speed/low drag advice that I come to INGO for.

 

[bwframe]

Relax a second. . .
Respect your reader and punctuate.
Overthinking? Perhaps.
Actions solve problems. Paralysis by analysis only keeps you from solving the problem. Make a choice for course of action then start on that course. Not choosing may get you hurt. Appearing, (or being) indecisive makes you appear weak and targetable.

I wonder if the OP should address the aray of mental issues that they have outlined throughout this thread?

Could the OP even get a 4473 approved with honestly answered questions on the form?

The responsibility of firearms ownership and use is a whole lot about mental mindset over the hardware being in hand.

Way too many belive that having a piece of hardware around solves all problems, when we know it does not.

In some cases the hardware being around could be as much of a danger to the owner as a benefit or even more.

The title of the thread itself is concerning. Is there a hardware solution for this, or is it pointing to mental issues needing addressed?

 

[68NOVA]

.. If I beat them to an inch of life but they service with serious damage

If you truly felt capable in this aspect...

This thread wouldn't exist.

You jumped the gun and assumed my post was in reference to you.

I did not quote you...

Therefore I was not speaking about you.

My other thoughts have already been said by others so I won't waste bandwidth.

I do wish you best of luck in your situation.

 

[armalitesheepdog]

I wonder if the OP should address the aray of mental issues that they have outlined throughout this thread?

Could the OP even get a 4473 approved with honestly answered questions on the form?

The responsibility of firearms ownership and use is a whole lot about mental mindset over the hardware being in hand.

Way too many belive that having a piece of hardware around solves all problems, when we know it does not.

In some cases the hardware being around could be as much of a danger to the owner as a benefit or even more.

The title of the thread itself is concerning. Is there a hardware solution for this, or is it pointing to mental issues needing addressed?

This.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Ironically I have plenty of knives and I understand the concept of CQC I used to charade as a well “vigilante “ and I wanted to stop cause I realized it’s just a childish “dream” not sure how to describe it but yeah.

Your issue seems to be you don't know how to resolve the problem you've got yourself into.

We need more info.
Are you a male or female?

Your first instinct of not asking for a gun is correct. A gun doesn't solve a problem. Your smarts do that.

Right now they are sizing you up, that's why they haven't made a move on you. If they were confident they would've already pummeled your ass and got what they wanted.

You need to put out an image of confidence, brave, and someone who will defend themselves.

You said something about not being able to use a gun against a knife or a person beating you. This isn't true. You can use a gun to defend yourself if you are afraid you are going to die from something or someone.( It's a little more complicated than than but not much, all that should be aimed at Guy Telford as mentioned before. He has The 2a Project. https://the2aproject.com/ join while you're there.)

That's why we (the 2a community) promote getting, learning to use and carry a gun responsibly, to protect yourself or loved one's life. Not to wave around like a magic wand making problems go away. As you're learning, the police are not going to protect you. That's all on you no one else is responsible for that.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

That seems like a reasonable option. Carry around a squirt bottle filled with kerosene and set your attacker on fire.

This is the kind of high speed/low drag advice that I come to INGO for.

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Wow, the post you quoted has been deleted so I didn't get to see it in all it's original glory. Just when I thought INGO had peaked with the garrote thread, sumdood recommended a DIY min-flame thrower for self-defense?

Pardon me, Sir. Please do not punch my face in while I undo this cap and squirt you with fluid. Stand nice and still now. Say, do you have a match by any chance?

That'll distract them until Garrote Guy arrives on the scene and takes him from behind (giggity).

 

[Jaybird1980]

Wow, the post you quoted has been deleted so I didn't get to see it in all it's original glory. Just when I thought INGO had peaked with the garrote thread, sumdood recommended a DIY min-flame thrower for self-defense?

Pardon me, Sir. Please do not punch my face in while I undo this cap and squirt you with fluid. Stand nice and still now. Say, do you have a match by any chance?

That'll distract them until Garrote Guy arrives on the scene and takes him from behind (giggity).

I have jeephammer on ignore, but he made an appearance. Lol

 

[Cameramonkey]

Wow, the post you quoted has been deleted so I didn't get to see it in all it's original glory. Just when I thought INGO had peaked with the garrote thread, sumdood recommended a DIY min-flame thrower for self-defense?

Pardon me, Sir. Please do not punch my face in while I undo this cap and squirt you with fluid. Stand nice and still now. Say, do you have a match by any chance?

That'll distract them until Garrote Guy arrives on the scene and takes him from behind (giggity).

The deleted post was apparently a gif of the conspiracy guy from King of the Hill deploying "pocket sand" as a defensive tool.

The way people trip over dollars to pick up pennies here amazes me sometimes. Squirt bottles? Makeshift MacGuyver weapons? Why? is actual pepper spray that you can buy at MANY stores not a good idea? Its not like its expensive. I could see it if pepper spray was hard to find, licensed, or prohibitively expensive. But COME ON! Its only $10-15!

And contrary to a statement upthread, bear spray is often LESS potent than people spray. And you can get pepper spray as stream, gel, foam, or cone. You dont have to lug around bear spray because you cant get the pattern you want in pocket size. And if somebody nearby gets a partial snootful? They'll be OK. It wont be pleasant, but they'll be fine in a little while.

 

[bwframe]

I have jeephammer on ignore, but he made an appearance. Lol

...and we are the trolls...

 

[Damienabbadon]

Relax a second. . .
Respect your reader and punctuate.
Overthinking? Perhaps.
Actions solve problems. Paralysis by analysis only keeps you from solving the problem. Make a choice for course of action then start on that course. Not choosing may get you hurt. Appearing, (or being) indecisive makes you appear weak and targetable.

I apologize, I’ll make sure to punctuate more often. Also, what I mean by overthinking is I don’t stop thinking when I start to panic and my nerves get high.

 

[Damienabbadon]

The deleted post was apparently a gif of the conspiracy guy from King of the Hill deploying "pocket sand" as a defensive tool.

The way people trip over dollars to pick up pennies here amazes me sometimes. Squirt bottles? Makeshift MacGuyver weapons? Why? is actual pepper spray that you can buy at MANY stores not a good idea? Its not like its expensive. I could see it if pepper spray was hard to find, licensed, or prohibitively expensive. But COME ON! Its only $10-15!

And contrary to a statement upthread, bear spray is often LESS potent than people spray. And you can get pepper spray as stream, gel, foam, or cone. You dont have to lug around bear spray because you cant get the pattern you want in pocket size. And if somebody nearby gets a partial snootful? They'll be OK. It wont be pleasant, but they'll be fine in a little while.

Yeah….I wasn’t making the powder for this reason specifically I just like experimenting with things. I’m currently in the process of trying to make a malleable thermite. (Thermite is legal in the state of Indiana and doesn’t require any special license, don’t quote me that’s just basic research I’ve done.) but what spray do you recommend.

 

[Damienabbadon]

Your issue seems to be you don't know how to resolve the problem you've got yourself into.

We need more info.
Are you a male or female?

Your first instinct of not asking for a gun is correct. A gun doesn't solve a problem. Your smarts do that.

Right now they are sizing you up, that's why they haven't made a move on you. If they were confident they would've already pummeled your ass and got what they wanted.

You need to put out an image of confidence, brave, and someone who will defend themselves.

You said something about not being able to use a gun against a knife or a person beating you. This isn't true. You can use a gun to defend yourself if you are afraid you are going to die from something or someone.( It's a little more complicated than than but not much, all that should be aimed at Guy Telford as mentioned before. He has The 2a Project. https://the2aproject.com/ join while you're there.)

That's why we (the 2a community) promote getting, learning to use and carry a gun responsibly, to protect yourself or loved one's life. Not to wave around like a magic wand making problems go away. As you're learning, the police are not going to protect you. That's all on you no one else is responsible for

Thank you I’ve noticed some of these things and that’s mainly why I’m here is to hear opinions and suggestions and I understand it raises flags to a lot of people. I never said I wouldn’t own a gun or don’t want to I just originally wasn’t open to the choice of carrying outside of my house. So I’m not sure what my best route is still

 

[Damienabbadon]

That seems like a reasonable option. Carry around a squirt bottle filled with kerosene and set your attacker on fire.

This is the kind of high speed/low drag advice that I come to INGO for.

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That’s an extremest option and I’m not putting you down or saying your opinion doesn’t matter. On the other hand I thought kerosine had a low combustion high burn rate? Also I understand i was specific on suggestions but people on here are all ready assuming I have mental problems.

 

[Damienabbadon]

I wonder if the OP should address the aray of mental issues that they have outlined throughout this thread?

Could the OP even get a 4473 approved with honestly answered questions on the form?

The responsibility of firearms ownership and use is a whole lot about mental mindset over the hardware being in hand.

Way too many belive that having a piece of hardware around solves all problems, when we know it does not.

In some cases the hardware being around could be as much of a danger to the owner as a benefit or even more.

The title of the thread itself is concerning. Is there a hardware solution for this, or is it pointing to mental issues needing addressed?

What mental concerns do you think it is your talking about. The fact I needed therapy because my mother abused me? My dad is a heroin junky and I’ve been alone and antisocial? I don’t trust people do to the history of people not being who they say they are so I understand what your saying I’m not meaning to be rude. Also i have no record my “mental issues” are limited to insomnia, PTSD, and ADHD. When my PTSD is triggered it’s not anger or anything it’s just panic. Like I said I figured out how to co-op with it.

 

[bwframe]

What mental concerns do you think it is your talking about. The fact I needed therapy because my mother abused me? My dad is a heroin junky and I’ve been alone and antisocial? I don’t trust people do to the history of people not being who they say they are so I understand what your saying I’m not meaning to be rude. Also i have no record my “mental issues” are limited to insomnia, PTSD, and ADHD. When my PTSD is triggered it’s not anger or anything it’s just panic. Like I said I figured out how to co-op with it.

I'm not a doctor or a therapist, only a listener.

Here is the 4473 form for firearms purchase...

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

Question 21f is one that some have trouble with. Sometimes hard to tell how professional therapy was documented and or interpreted by NICS?

 

[Tombs]

That seems like a reasonable option. Carry around a squirt bottle filled with kerosene and set your attacker on fire.

This is the kind of high speed/low drag advice that I come to INGO for.

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I'm sure it's a fantastic option with very little potential for collateral damage, in a home defense situation.

 

[ditcherman]

What mental concerns do you think it is your talking about. The fact I needed therapy because my mother abused me? My dad is a heroin junky and I’ve been alone and antisocial? I don’t trust people do to the history of people not being who they say they are so I understand what your saying I’m not meaning to be rude. Also i have no record my “mental issues” are limited to insomnia, PTSD, and ADHD. When my PTSD is triggered it’s not anger or anything it’s just panic. Like I said I figured out how to co-op with it.

For me, it’s the lack of paragraphs.

Ok, seriously though, concerning the kerosene, Rt45 was quoting another post “that got deleted” and he was speaking sarcastically. So just pay no attention to that.

You do have to pay attention to sarcasm. It’s everywhere.

And paragraphs. Pay attention to paragraphs.

There are many here taking you at your word and trying to help, so absorb what you can.

Best of luck.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Thank you I’ve noticed some of these things and that’s mainly why I’m here is to hear opinions and suggestions and I understand it raises flags to a lot of people. I never said I wouldn’t own a gun or don’t want to I just originally wasn’t open to the choice of carrying outside of my house. So I’m not sure what my best route is still

IMHO you have a few options.

1. Like I said. You need to put the appearance out that you're not a soft target, you are somebody that's going to fight like hell and be confident. They will smell weakness, that's why they are sizing you up right now. They aren't scared of guns, hell they have them, they've been showing them off to you.They are concerned with someone that will do whatever it takes to win, because that could cause them problems and that's not what they are looking for.

I don't personally know you, so it's hard for me to say what you could do to put that appearance forward, that's up to you.
Hell it could be as easy as shaving your pit into a poodle haircut, dye it pink, walk it around the block all day wearing nothing but a leather vest and assless chaps. Maybe go out in your tidy whiteys and vacuum the driveway while singing show tunes. Hell that'll get people's attention.

2. Become friends at the nearest biker bar and have a big ass biker bash at your house, that'll probably work.

3. Move.

There's a lot of choice's to make in this lifetime, get used to it.