Robbery At A Cannabis Shop In Oakland Has Deadly Consequences

[bwframe]

Obviously not an Indiana thing, but still a lot to learn from this.

Kind of proof that good intentions and having a piece of hardware isn't enough to save the day.

The bad guy DID NOT run off when this guy racked his slide...

 

[indyartisan]

Sad story

 

[BigRed]

SO much fail to go around, but will note just two items.

ALWAYS carry with the chamber loaded.
Get off your **** phone.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The bad guy DID NOT run off when this guy racked his slide...

The bad guy probably didn't even realize he had a gun, let alone he racked the slide. The "security guard" acted like prey and the bad guy responded accordingly. Security guy flees back into the building before ever getting the gun out. From the bad guy's perspective, everyone is in flight. There is no hint of resistance, so he chases. As soon as there is resistance and he has time to figure that out, he takes off. He continues to fire as he flees, which is fairly common but not universal.

I am a bit curious as to which one killed the woman. I'd bet good odds the security guard's rounds.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I’d hire an armed citizen from indiana vs a security guard from California. This just feeds into anti gunners bs.

 

[Leadeye]

Know nothing about MJ retail, but I would have guessed that security would be tighter.

 

[Brad69]

Note to self:
Don't take a job you are not trained for or willing to do.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I thought legalizing was going to make the crime fall to virtually 0?


(I’m pro legalization, but I’m not pro lying to push agendas)

 

[KLB]

I thought legalizing was going to make the crime fall to virtually 0?


(I’m pro legalization, but I’m not pro lying to push agendas)

Where did you ever hear that?

It might affect the amount of crime revolving around the illegal distribution and the violence associated with it. When the rules make it a cash business, they are setting it up for this kind of crime though.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Where did you ever hear that?

It might affect the amount of crime revolving around the illegal distribution and the violence associated with it. When the rules make it a cash business, they are setting it up for this kind of crime though.

The only crime that it will stop is the illegal distribution, and that’s only because the distribution will now be legal. Violent crime will always happen where money is involved, and dispensaries and marijuana farmers are going to be a prime target because of the access to large quantities of cash and pot.

Also I’m betting people are still distributing illegally, just able to do so with less focus and consequences now.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I’d hire an armed citizen from indiana vs a security guard from California. This just feeds into anti gunners bs.

My guess is he isn't actually a security guard in that he's hired specifically for security. He's probably an employee who happens to be armed.

I thought legalizing was going to make the crime fall to virtually 0?


(I’m pro legalization, but I’m not pro lying to push agendas)

Dispensaries are so tempting because they are so cash heavy. They are cash heavy because MJ remains Schedule I at the federal level. I don't know anybody claimed legalization was a panacea, but customers are lot less likely to get robbed...

 

[Cameramonkey]

Note to self:
Don't take a job you are not trained for or willing to do.

He probably liked the uniform and the ability to tell people what to do. Like the buttwipe at the BMV today. He was power tripping telling people to move forward and take chairs at the front of the lobby. He wanted everyone up front.

I told him "No thank you. Your signs talk about keeping your distance. I have more distance in this chair, so per your posted rules, Im in a better place because I am farther away from others."

"You need to move up to one of the chairs up front."

"Why? Are these (motioning to the ones next to me) chairs not for people waiting for service? Unless this chair is for something else, I'm fine here. Thanks."

He started to keep arguing but the lady running tickets and controlling the front door gave him a look and he stopped.

 

[Leadeye]

My guess is he isn't actually a security guard in that he's hired specifically for security. He's probably an employee who happens to be armed.


Dispensaries are so tempting because they are so cash heavy. They are cash heavy because MJ remains Schedule I at the federal level. I don't know anybody claimed legalization was a panacea, but customers are lot less likely to get robbed...

Every day you hear about gun crime, but I've always figured it's mostly drug robberies or deals gone bad. When you see the story on the news, you hear about the shooting, you hear from leadership about gun crime, but that's it.

Nobody says it's drug crime.

 

[Tanfodude]

Dispensaries are so tempting because they are so cash heavy. They are cash heavy because MJ remains Schedule I at the federal level. I don't know anybody claimed legalization was a panacea, but customers are lot less likely to get robbed...

To my understanding, some take debit cards.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

He probably liked the uniform and the ability to tell people what to do. Like the buttwipe at the BMV today. He was power tripping telling people to move forward and take chairs at the front of the lobby. He wanted everyone up front.

I told him "No thank you. Your signs talk about keeping your distance. I have more distance in this chair, so per your posted rules, Im in a better place because I am farther away from others."

"You need to move up to one of the chairs up front."

"Why? Are these (motioning to the ones next to me) chairs not for people waiting for service? Unless this chair is for something else, I'm fine here. Thanks."

He started to keep arguing but the lady running tickets and controlling the front door gave him a look and he stopped.

Amazing how all a woman has to do is give a look, and we stop. Maybe that’s what criminals need, a woman to give them the look

 

[rugertoter]

Good Lord, fools. Another reason to stay outta those shops, and stores that sell booze.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

and stores that sell booze.

So, Kroger, Meijer, Walmart, CVS, Walgreens...

 

[sparkyfender]

Damn. Waste of a young woman's life.

 

[Twangbanger]

I also wonder what role "safe room scripting" played in this. They actually ran right back into the place of danger, almost like it's a procedure they're following. Had they been instructed to do this, like some kind of "school lockdown drill?" After the guard backed-over the girl in blue, two more employees run right across the eventual line of fire, in an attempt to get to what I assume must be some kind of "safe room" back in the store. I have a younger relative working in retail and their team is trained to do this, so I assume it must be a standard "thing."

I mean, if you know someone's hitting the MJ store, why do you go back in the MJ store? You're already outside, you're already free...run like hell! If the girl in white had just kept going the way she already was, she would have figuratively been a mile away from the shooting when it happened, instead of dead inside her assigned "place of safety." She was home free, and ran right straight back into the jaws. I cannot understand this, unless it's part of a scripted "duck and cover drill" which overrode the employees' normal sense of self-preservation. I would bet in this case, the girl's training literally got her killed.

As for the guard, my guess is that person is just window dressing for the benefit of the employees. In places like banks employees intuitively know they're in a somewhat risky job, and it affects the employer's ability to hire people. So they offer the presence of a guard as a "perk" to make the job appear more palatable to the employees. "It's ok, mom...it's all legal, and we have a guard to protect us."

 

[rhamersley]

I also wonder what role "scripting" played in this. They actually fell all over each other getting back into the place of danger, almost like it's a procedure they're following. Had they been instructed to do this, like some kind of "school lockdown drill?" I mean, if you know someone's hitting the MJ store, why do you go back in the MJ store? You're already outside, you're already free...run like hell! I can't hear what audibles are being given by the guard, if any, but wow. If the one girl had just kept going the way she already was, she would have figuratively been a mile away from the shooting when it happened.

My guess is they'd been trained to believe the guard was a source of safety. My experience is that the guards in these types of businesses (banks, etc.) are exactly that: window-dressing for the employees. They know they're in a somewhat risky job, and it affects the employer's ability to hire, so they offer the presence of a guard as a "perk" to make the job appear more palatable to the employees. "It's ok, mom...it's all legal, and we have a guard to protect us."

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