Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signs into law the name, image and likeness bill

[gregr]

This is sure to be a hot topic, but I guess now I`m done with the ncaa and college sports as well as the nfl and nba. These are supposed to be "student" athletes. Heavy emphasis on "student". They`re already getting a free education, if they`re intelligent enough to do the work to get it. They`re also getting to universities platform to showcase whatever athletic abilities they have to potentially make that move to the professional level. It`s just ridiculous for these little darlings to now get paid for playing. I hope the universities begin to charge them for providing the uniforms, travel and venues to play.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signs into law the name, image and likeness bill

Texas became the 19th state to pass the landmark name, image and likeness legislation.

www.yahoo.com

 

[rooster]

This is sure to be a hot topic, but I guess now I`m done with the ncaa and college sports as well as the nfl and nba. These are supposed to be "student" athletes. Heavy emphasis on "student". They`re already getting a free education, if they`re intelligent enough to do the work to get it. They`re also getting to universities platform to showcase whatever athletic abilities they have to potentially make that move to the professional level. It`s just ridiculous for these little darlings to now get paid for playing. I hope the universities begin to charge them for providing the uniforms, travel and venues to play.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signs into law the name, image and likeness bill

Texas became the 19th state to pass the landmark name, image and likeness legislation.

www.yahoo.com

I might agree that paying them is ridiculous if the universities and NCAA didn’t use them like literal cash cows for profits.......

everyone gets rich except the players and it encourages shady back room deals like giving a players mom a free Cadillac Escalade if he plays for them (looking at you LSU).

 

[gregr]

I might agree that paying them is ridiculous if the universities and NCAA didn’t use them like literal cash cows for profits.......

everyone gets rich except the players and it encourages shady back room deals like giving a players mom a free Cadillac Escalade if he plays for them (looking at you LSU).

Then the STUDENT athletes ought to find the monies to form their own leagues to showcase their talents hoping to make it to the pro level. As I said, they get a free education and the opportunity to play on a national stage. I think they`re MORE than adequately comphensated.

 

[rooster]

Then the STUDENT athletes ought to find the monies to form their own leagues to showcase their talents hoping to make it to the pro level. As I said, they get a free education and the opportunity to play on a national stage. I think they`re MORE than adequately comphensated.

You bring up a good point of the NCAA’s monopoly on college sports, we tried to get rid of monopolies 100 years ago but there are still a few kicking around.

 

[Ingomike]

Then the STUDENT athletes ought to find the monies to form their own leagues to showcase their talents hoping to make it to the pro level. As I said, they get a free education and the opportunity to play on a national stage. I think they`re MORE than adequately comphensated.

They absolutely do not get compensation NEAR THE VALUE of what the NCAA system gets from their hard work. Just stop with the whole "student athletes" BS, that horse left the barn long before NCAA was generating BILLIONS from them.

If a jersey with a players name and number on it is for sale, if they are featured in commercials designed to entice viewers to watch games, they are no longer "student athletes" it is established that they are making money, we are merely arguing over who gets it...

 

[NHT3]

This is sure to be a hot topic, but I guess now I`m done with the ncaa and college sports as well as the nfl and nba. These are supposed to be "student" athletes. Heavy emphasis on "student". They`re already getting a free education, if they`re intelligent enough to do the work to get it. They`re also getting to universities platform to showcase whatever athletic abilities they have to potentially make that move to the professional level. It`s just ridiculous for these little darlings to now get paid for playing. I hope the universities begin to charge them for providing the uniforms, travel and venues to play.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signs into law the name, image and likeness bill

Texas became the 19th state to pass the landmark name, image and likeness legislation.

www.yahoo.com

No "free" education, someone is paying for it (probably us). If they are getting paid there's no reason they can't pay the going rate to attend the college.

 

[wtburnette]

I worked for the NCAA as a contractor for a year when I moved back to Indy from MN. Hated working there. Always felt like the NCAA was like the unions, perhaps necessary in the beginning when it was formed, but now has outlived it's purpose and is now just a racket. I absolutely agree that if anyone should be making money on these athletes, it should be the athletes themselves.

 

[two70]

I might agree that paying them is ridiculous if the universities and NCAA didn’t use them like literal cash cows for profits.......

everyone gets rich except the players and it encourages shady back room deals like giving a players mom a free Cadillac Escalade if he plays for them (looking at you LSU).

You mean the same way universities use students (almost none of which are getting full ride scholarships) to do lab work and research for the profit and prestige of the university and professors? Or even the athletes in the non revenue sports who don't even get the free ride most of the time? It's almost like the students and the athletes are willingly trading their labor for experience, skills development, and the marketing of those skills. I'd have a little more sympathy for the athletes if they weren't so entitled. It seems like the basketball players are the most entitled of the bunch and they have option of playing in the developmental league or going overseas if they want to be paid. Yet, most decide to play in the NCAA, because it is far more beneficial to their brand in the long run, despite the "hardship" of supposedly not getting paid.

I'm not sure why anyone would think this would end the shady deals, no one has ever been satisfied by attempts at appeasement, they always come back for more sooner or later. In fact, this likely gives the shady teams even more opportunity and cover to funnel more money into purchasing players.

 

[IndyDave1776]

According to Google, the NCAA comes in pocket change short of being a $1B per year enterprise, which is built on the backs of the athletes themselves. They can afford to share with those actually doing the work.

 

[two70]

They absolutely do not get compensation NEAR THE VALUE of what the NCAA system gets from their hard work. Just stop with the whole "student athletes" BS, that horse left the barn long before NCAA was generating BILLIONS from them.

If a jersey with a players name and number on it is for sale, if they are featured in commercials designed to entice viewers to watch games, they are no longer "student athletes" it is established that they are making money, we are merely arguing over who gets it...

I'm not sure why they would even expect to be compensated anywhere near what the NCAA and universities are. In what business are the employees compensated equally to the management and ownership? The NCAA and the universities are the ones taking the risks, providing the venues, marketing and training.

There's a really simple solution to this "problem" that doesn't involve government intervention, the athletes could simply quit playing for the NCAA and universities. Yet, most are smart enough to figure out that playing in the NCAA is more beneficial to them then other options. To be perfectly clear, most collegiate athletes are getting far more value than they generate, it is only the top 5-10% of players in the highest level teams in football and basketball that are not. The majority of those top players still choose to play in the NCAA despite having other options. Perhaps these entitled players will eventually learn after they finally manage to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, somehow I doubt it though.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'm not sure why they would even expect to be compensated anywhere near what the NCAA and universities are. In what business are the employees compensated equally to the management and ownership? The NCAA and the universities are the ones taking the risks, providing the venues, marketing and training.

There's a really simple solution to this "problem" that doesn't involve government intervention, the athletes could simply quit playing for the NCAA and universities. Yet, most are smart enough to figure out that playing in the NCAA is more beneficial to them then other options. To be perfectly clear, most collegiate athletes are getting far more value than they generate, it is only the top 5-10% of players in the highest level teams in football and basketball that are not. The majority of those top players still choose to play in the NCAA despite having other options. Perhaps these entitled players will eventually learn after they finally manage to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, somehow I doubt it though.

1. Do you work for free of for benefits only?

2. The NCAA has a monopoly. Where do you propose they go as an alternative?

 

[Ingomike]

I'm not sure why they would even expect to be compensated anywhere near what the NCAA and universities are. In what business are the employees compensated equally to the management and ownership? The NCAA and the universities are the ones taking the risks, providing the venues, marketing and training.

There's a really simple solution to this "problem" that doesn't involve government intervention, the athletes could simply quit playing for the NCAA and universities. Yet, most are smart enough to figure out that playing in the NCAA is more beneficial to them then other options. To be perfectly clear, most collegiate athletes are getting far more value than they generate, it is only the top 5-10% of players in the highest level teams in football and basketball that are not. The majority of those top players still choose to play in the NCAA despite having other options. Perhaps these entitled players will eventually learn after they finally manage to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, somehow I doubt it though.

Did you even read the article? Where the heck did you come up with with this?

The topic, simply stated gives the athletes the ownership of their name, image, and likeness. Should the athletes not own and control that? And tell me again just who is entitled? The athletes or the university system that uses their person and creates bureaucratic regulations that prohibit the athlete themselves from capitalizing on their persona?

 

[eldirector]

Schools provide over $3.6 BILLION in athletic scholarships annually, to more than 180,000 student athletes.

Someone is getting paid.

And yes, very little distinguishes college sports from professional these days. Looks like TX is just letting it swing more pro.

 

[two70]

1. Do you work for free of for benefits only?

2. The NCAA has a monopoly. Where do you propose they go as an alternative?

1. No, but I did, however, start out making less than I was worth and worked my way up. Kind of like most people. I sure didn't throw a fit and demand higher pay at the lower level jobs just because the company I worked for was making a significant amount of money on my labor.

2. The NFL, NBA, MLB, the minor leagues in baseball, the developmental league or a variety of foreign leagues for basketball.

Now, please explain to me why athletes are extra special and deserve an even better deal on top of their full tuition, housing, food, and tutors when thousands of actual students doing lab work, research, and unpaid/low paid internships don't even get that good of a deal.

Then explain to me why those athletes are entitled to extra benefits beyond what they voluntarily agreed to, presumably because they felt the NCAA provided them with the best opportunities for the future.

 

[two70]

Did you even read the article? Where the heck did you come up with with this?

The topic, simply stated gives the athletes the ownership of their name, image, and likeness. Should the athletes not own and control that? And tell me again just who is entitled? The athletes or the university system that uses their person and creates bureaucratic regulations that prohibit the athlete themselves from capitalizing on their persona?

My knowledge of the subject is not limited to this one article. It'd be helpful if your's wasn't either.

Again, who provides the opportunity for the athletes' names and likenesses to be valuable? Who provides the full ride scholarships, meals, housing, tutors, training, coaching, healthcare, facilities, marketing and venues? The athletes voluntarily agree to the to the system, presumably, because they see the long term benefit. How is it anything other than entitlement to then turn around and demand more than they voluntarily agreed to? How are the athletes prohibited from capitalizing on their personas? At worst they are temporarily delayed from capitalizing on their persona's, voluntarily, I'll add again, in exchange for greater future capitalization opportunity. The simple fact is that very few athletes have personas that have any real value without the NCAA and universities promoting them, training them, and providing an opportunity to showcase their skills. Those that do have other options.

I'll refer you to the last two comments I made in my previous reply and ask again why are athletes so special, why do they deserve an even better deal when they already receive a better deal than any other student?

 

[jamil]

I might agree that paying them is ridiculous if the universities and NCAA didn’t use them like literal cash cows for profits.......

everyone gets rich except the players and it encourages shady back room deals like giving a players mom a free Cadillac Escalade if he plays for them (looking at you LSU).

And OSU.

 

[rooster]

when thousands of actual students doing lab work, research, and unpaid/low paid internships don't even get that good of a deal.

You bring up a great point. Athletes aren’t the only ones taken advantage of by schools. Perhaps it’s time to revamp the system. Schools use grad students like temp workers in a very one sided job negotiation.

 

[two70]

You bring up a great point. Athletes aren’t the only ones taken advantage of by schools. Perhaps it’s time to revamp the system. Schools use grad students like temp workers in a very one sided job negotiation.

It's not just schools though, it's pretty much the way of the world. You pay your dues for a chance at better opportunities later. Unless you're at the top of an organization, someone else is most likely benefiting more financially from your mental and physical labor than you are. It is not uncommon for large companies to hire low or unpaid interns or use temporary employees with no benefits. It's even more common for companies to claim patents and royalties from things invented by their employees. It's not really taking advantage of the students or employees when they know the deal and voluntarily accept it.

 

[rooster]

It's not just schools though, it's pretty much the way of the world. You pay your dues for a chance at better opportunities later. Unless you're at the top of an organization, someone else is most likely benefiting more financially from your mental and physical labor than you are. It is not uncommon for large companies to hire low or unpaid interns or use temporary employees with no benefits. It's even more common for companies to claim patents and royalties from things invented by their employees. It's not really taking advantage of the students or employees when they know the deal and voluntarily accept it.

These students are all “paying their dues” before having any chance of money out of this particular proposal. You think Nike is gonna pay an unproven freshman or sophomore for their likeness?
Are Grad students most likely already spent a year doing menial work before getting onto something that the university is profiting on.

dues are being paid freshman and probably sophomore years but by the time these student athletes are juniors and seniors many of them are household names. This isn’t even close to any other “paying your dues” situation in the normal world. Sure I make money off of my apprentices, sometimes they cost me money too but if I was making millions off of any of them they wouldn’t be apprentices for long.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I honestly couldn't name a single college athlete in any sport. So I think the term "household name" might be a bit strong.