Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[avboiler11]

There are dozens of potential vaccines in trials around the world, it should not be ah-ha news that a few of them aren't going to be safe enough, effective enough, or have downsides enough that they don't make it to authorization.

 

[dusty88]

I answered "yes" with the assumption that I will of course continue to pay attention to ongoing data. I'm not currently comfortable with the Oxford vaccine until they complete more trials. They had errors and changes in grouping and dosing. I think it's also possible to develop immunity to the carrier vector so that repeated dosing might not be effective. In short, it just doesn't look as consistent yet in terms of available information. I'd prefer the Pfizer vaccine, but would also take Moderna at this point.

It's a risk assessment for me. Covid kills 1 in 200 people of those it infects. And my age group (I'm 56) falls right in the middle of that. An unknown but clearly significant % of people who've contracted Covid (even some who were asymptomatic) have long-term lung lesions, immune-mediated syndromes and in general no one knows the long term effects of this virus.

The vaccine could also have unknowns, but so far the evidence and the decades of research in mRNA vaccines suggest a serious consequence of the vaccine is extremely unlikely.

The third alternative (not getting vaccinating and still avoiding SARSCov2) is unlikely as at some point I'm going to end up in an indoor space for a prolonged period (some unplanned healthcare, for example). I also want to resume visiting my elderly parents more often and to start flying again. So this is just not an option that's going to work for the long term, and the disease isn't going to be eliminated nor even reach herd immunity next year.

Risk assessment between Covid and vaccine easily points to vaccine.

 

[dusty88]

eventually... that's the question. having COVID is not sufficient to avoid vaccination. we're told herd immunity won't happen until x% are vaccinated. Not that have antibodies, but received a vaccine

I would like to see data of antibody titers six months after infection vs six months after vaccine

Antibody titer levels are rarely quantitatively related to immunity. They are not even qualitatively related in a disease where cell-mediated immunity is the main form of protection.

 

[dusty88]

Not until I know the vaccine has a lower chance of killing me than the disease. Right now the disease has almost zero chance of killing me.

Covid kills about 1 in 200 of the people it infects, based on current estimated infection fatality rate of 0.5%

At least 20,000 people took the Pfizer vaccine (more now) and it hasn't killed anyone.

If you are particularly young and have no comorbidities (not significantly overweight, no other medical conditions) then I think you can look at the data for 25 yr old, where Covid kills just 1 in 10,000

So far, that still points to the vaccine.

Same for side effects: very low known with the vaccine, more known with the virus.

both vaccine and virus may have unknown long term consequences, but the mRNA vaccines have been studied for 40 years. Coronaviruses have been studied for decades, but this one isn't exactly like any others. People with the original SARS have lung damage years later.

 

[eric001]

Sadly, yes. BUT. Against my will.

I work for a school district that has a track record of jumping on every alarmist bandwagon placed in front of them, so it's only a matter of time before they get the hairbrained idea of requiring vaccination before staff are allowed back into the schools. Since I actually like my job and like being paid to do that job, I won't be given a choice. And though we have a teacher union that is supposed to help counterbalance these extremist mandates, they won't raise a finger on this one.

I'll put it off as long as I can and still be employed, but somehow I get the feeling that it will be a really short timetable once they make the decree.

Sigh.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

When I saw my doctor for my physical yesterday I asked him if he had any concerns about the new vaccines. He said his only concern was that there wouldn't be enough. He thinks everyone should get it.

 

[JettaKnight]

When I saw my doctor for my physical yesterday I asked him if he had any concerns about the new vaccines. He said his only concern was that there wouldn't be enough. I thinks everyone should get it.

Is that the pronoun you meant, or should it read "He thinks..."?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Is that the pronoun you meant, or should it read "He thinks..."?

Crap. Fixed it.

 

[Ballstater98]

Can I stop wearing a mask after getting a coronavirus vaccine?


https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/c...ual&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Assuming you don’t work for yourself, your employer potentially may be able to compel you to do so. And for the record, I don’t like that either.

There is one thing about that. I know for school children that the parents can file a letter with the school if they have a religious objection to them, I don't know if the same applies to work though. If a person has a religious objection, can the company force them to violate it without running afoul of discrimination laws?

Yes, the first one available to me.

Not because I'm afraid of the clinical impact of the virus (I'm not), but because my job requires travel and I don't want to risk potentially being the one to make my parents or in-laws (who are at MUCH greater risk than an in-shape 37 year old) sick.

I've read from what I understand at least one of the vaccines doesn't prevent you from catching/carrying it, just prevents the actual "sickness" if you do.

I know two people who participated in the Pfizer trial and one in the Moderna trial; all had simple side effects similar to influenza & tetanus vaccines (soreness at injection site, mild fatigue, elevated temp to low-mid 99s) for a day or two after each injection. None had to take any time off work. None have grown at third eye, turned into vampires or zombies, become infertile, or started receiving 5G data in their brain yet.

FTFY

 

[dusty88]

I've read from what I understand at least one of the vaccines doesn't prevent you from catching/carrying it, just prevents the actual "sickness" if you do.

My understanding is that there is not yet enough data to say whether or not you will be contagious. In theory a vaccinated personwho gets Covid might replicate and shed some virus before their immune system shut it down. As the studies get further along more will be known about that and hopefully it will turn out there is not viral shedding, or at least not much.

 

[HoughMade]

Doctors who do this type of research will always say transmission is possible UNTIL they have PROVED that it can’t. It doesn’t mean it will.

 

[JettaKnight]

Doctors who do this type of research will always say transmission is possible UNTIL they have PROVED that it can’t. It doesn’t mean it will.

Doctors are like lawyers in that way; never say something you might regret in court.

 

[engineerpower]

My understanding is that there is not yet enough data to say whether or not you will be contagious. In theory a vaccinated personwho gets Covid might replicate and shed some virus before their immune system shut it down. As the studies get further along more will be known about that and hopefully it will turn out there is not viral shedding, or at least not much.

100% wrong. The vaccine introduces mRNA into you, which causes your cells to produce and release the surface proteins of the virus, which you then have an immune response to. There is no live virus, dead virus, virus parts, etc.

The shameful and willful ignorance of y'all is shocking. Honestly.

 

[dusty88]

100% wrong. The vaccine introduces mRNA into you, which causes your cells to produce and release the surface proteins of the virus, which you then have an immune response to. There is no live virus, dead virus, virus parts, etc.

The shameful and willful ignorance of y'all is shocking. Honestly.

Dude. I think you should read what I wrote again.
I said "a vaccinated person who gets Covid" Or maybe to be 100% clear I should have said "a vaccinated person who later gets Covid"

I am in no way implying that the vaccine itself will lead to virus shedding

I am clarifying that research has not yet been done to know whether a person who is VACCINATED AND LATER EXPOSED TO COVID will shed any virus or not. The papers out so far show the vaccine research used symptoms to track cases. They did not test everyone (ie the nonsymptomatic) for the presence of virus.

 

[CampingJosh]

I'm not normally one to include memes, but this one is too good.

 

[dvd1955]

Probably, but not right away. Two reasons for my delay. Wait until my last antibody infusion at the end of January and see what my oncologist says then. Also, since I have a poor immune system, I probably won't go out much anyway until a lot of people have been vaccinated and the number of new cases has dropped significantly.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I'm not normally one to include memes, but this one is too good.

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Too good, just like the McRib.

 

[Libertarian01]

100% wrong. The vaccine introduces mRNA into you, which causes your cells to produce and release the surface proteins of the virus, which you then have an immune response to. There is no live virus, dead virus, virus parts, etc.

The shameful and willful ignorance of y'all is shocking. Honestly.

This is true, factually, IF it works perfectly. Nothing works perfectly. Planes designed by experts have fallen out of our skies killing hundreds because we cannot drill holes to required extreme accuracy.

mRNA will degrade. How long this takes I do not know. So say random person is injected with a dose that has mRNA strands that have decayed in just the right spot. They bond, and the human has a "partial" immune response once exposed. This partial response could push the Covid19 they have been exposed to to mutate into a strain that is far more dangerous than they would have otherwise had. And the more people who get the vaccine increases the probability of mutation. I am not arguing against doing it, but that much more research and study needs to occur before we can make the best decisions possible.

And 100%, really? From someone who has "engineer" in their name you can state, as an immutable fact, that something is 100%? I am not that familiar with quantum physics but I am told that it allows for a great deal of "not 100%" across all sorts of fields of study. We are at an extremely early stage of even beginning to understand the pathology of this virus. Politics on both sides push our media stories away from facts and toward ideology. Take, for example, the near hysterical mantra of "you must wear a mask."

From the New England Journal of Medicine, July 2020, "...We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic." And yet, the war drums for mask wearing pound on without anyone wanting to pay attention to, uh, facts.

The real fact in that case is that there has been NO significant studies of good size to tell us whether masks help or not. NONE! And the preliminary studies of all of the vaccines either approved or nearing approval have not had any significant studies to determine their long term safety. As an analogy let us look at the Zika virus. The Zika virus on its own is a threat to almost no one. Symptoms are mild and relatively speaking insignificant. And yet to a pregnant woman Zika poses a significant threat to her unborn child. So how, exactly, with the vaccine(s) affect men's sperm, or women's eggs? Maybe, probably, no way whatsoever. Probably... And yet, no long term studies to show this because of the hysteria caused by the media.

100%? Oookkkaaayyyy... Whatever...

Regards,

Doug

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I'm not normally one to include memes, but this one is too good.

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I would definitely get the vaccine before I would ever try another McRib!