Daylight Saving Time

[ATM]

...As for time zones...

Wait for it. Soon.

No one close to the equator has a real need for DST as works for us and Europe.

Um, yeah...



about Europe...

 

[Hawkeye]

Here's a good one from last year: https://www.theepochtimes.com/brazil-has-nixed-daylight-saving-so-should-everyone_2889754.html

So one year-old article about one equatorial country? That's what you're basing your statement on?

 

[ATM]

So one year-old article about one equatorial country? That's what you're basing your statement on?

LOL, I don't think Ingomike read the whole thing, either.

No, there's a bit more than just Brazil. From the article:

...Some 70 countries, mostly in the Northern Hemisphere, observe DST to some extent, seeking to leverage natural daylight and reduce energy consumption. Parts of Canada, Mexico, the United States, and most of Europe are in this group. However, the well-intentioned measure has proved counterproductive, and prudent countries are rolling it back.



Notably, the European Parliament voted in March to scrap its coordinated DST from 2021. All 28 member nations—or 27, Brexit withstanding—must stop the twice-yearly switch and either settle on summer or winter time for the foreseeable future.



A public consultation prior to the vote showed that Europeans detest the clock changes: a crushing 84 percent of respondents wanted to end what has been an EU-wide imposition since 1996. In the United States, a 2014 poll revealed only 34 percent of respondents thought DST was worth the hassle...

 

[actaeon277]

Maybe with the EU dropping it, we might gain some traction.

 

[chipbennett]

LOL, I don't think Ingomike read the whole thing, either.

No, there's a bit more than just Brazil. From the article:

But, but, but... indisputable facts...

 

[Ingomike]

If we lose DST I will be permanently pizzesd off. For a guy that say gets to shoot outside 90 times, after work, this spring through the fall, loses 90 hours of daylight to do it in. This applies to anyone that works or recreates outdoors and that is a huge number of people. That would be a huge personal loss. DST is good for the majority of people...

 

[ATM]

If we lose DST I will be permanently pizzesd off. For a guy that say gets to shoot outside 90 times, after work, this spring through the fall, loses 90 hours of daylight to do it in. This applies to anyone that works or recreates outdoors and that is a huge number of people. That would be a huge personal loss. DST is good for the majority of people...

The majority of people will keep right on saving daylight year-round.

It's the perpetual changing back and forth that the majority never wanted and still don't. That won't be missed.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Okay, it's 7:50 p.m.. It's bedtime. Where's all this dadgum light coming from??

 

[Ingomike]

Okay, it's 7:50 p.m.. It's bedtime. Where's all this dadgum light coming from??

7:50 was bedtime 100 years ago and for infants. Average Americans go to bed at 11:00 PM.

 

[jkaetz]

If we lose DST I will be permanently pizzesd off. For a guy that say gets to shoot outside 90 times, after work, this spring through the fall, loses 90 hours of daylight to do it in. This applies to anyone that works or recreates outdoors and that is a huge number of people. That would be a huge personal loss. DST is good for the majority of people...

I think you've conflated EDT with clock changing. What you want is to stay on EDT permanently. That sentiment may well be shared by a large percentage of people. The majority of this thread has not complained about the late sunset but the diddling of the clocks twice/year.

 

[Ingomike]

I think you've conflated EDT with clock changing. What you want is to stay on EDT permanently. That sentiment may well be shared by a large percentage of people. The majority of this thread has not complained about the late sunset but the diddling of the clocks twice/year.

No conflation, we are on EST with DST. It would be an entirely different thing to be EDT. The DST issue is a federal one but not sure how EST gets changed to EDT

 

[DoggyDaddy]

7:50 was bedtime 100 years ago and for infants. Average Americans go to bed at 11:00 PM.

I got up at 3:30 this morning. I'd be way too tired if I went to bed at 11.

 

[jkaetz]

No conflation, we are on EST with DST. It would be an entirely different thing to be EDT. The DST issue is a federal one but not sure how EST gets changed to EDT

https://24timezones.com/time-zone/edt

EDT (Eastern Daylight Time) is one of the well-known names of UTC-4 time zone which is 4h. behind of UTC (Coordinated Universal Time).The time offset from UTC can be written as -04:00.

It's used as a DST (summer daylight saving time).During the winter, EST - Eastern Standard Time(UTC-5) is in use.

Some locations use EST all year long.

You should know what your arguing about if you want people to listen to your argument.

 

[Ingomike]

https://24timezones.com/time-zone/edt



You should know what your arguing about if you want people to listen to your argument.

Since you twice so have said I don't know what I talking about tell me what I have said wrong?

I just said said I was not sure exactly what entity had the power, in the US, to change EST to EDT, I presume the Feds. That would be my preference if DST were to go away.

 

[jkaetz]

Since you twice so have said I don't know what I talking about tell me what I have said wrong?

I just said said I was not sure exactly what entity had the power, in the US, to change EST to EDT, I presume the Feds. That would be my preference if DST were to go away.

It would be an entirely different thing to be EDT.

This statement.

We are on EDT the majority of the year, only switching to EST for the winter. DST is the process of switching clocks. Switching to EDT and staying there is up to the individual states. As you're probably aware Indiana had no DST clock changing silliness for quite some time but was on EST. Judging by reading this thread there is quit a bit of support for staying on EDT all year.

 

[Ingomike]

This statement.

We are on EDT the majority of the year, only switching to EST for the winter. DST is the process of switching clocks. Switching to EDT and staying there is up to the individual states. As you're probably aware Indiana had no DST clock changing silliness for quite some time but was on EST. Judging by reading this thread there is quit a bit of support for staying on EDT all year.

EST is the default time for the eastern time zone, EDT is a creation that results from implementing DST. Most folks just call what you are being haughty about DST because that is the way it generally is discussed.

So, now to the question at hand, who has the legal authority to change the eastern time zone from EST to EDT?

 

[IndyBeerman]

7:50 was bedtime 100 years ago and for infants. Average Americans go to bed at 11:00 PM.

Any stats, are just that stats, and most of the time not actual fact. Stats are nothing but numbers that are manipulated to fit a agenda, it's done all the time.

The population equivalent of .01% of what a lot of info is based on is now where near anything as a indicator on what time American's go to bed.

Over the years the time I have went to bed was dictated on my job type and what it was, For 30 years of my life working 3 jobs in the same industry, I was usually in bed by 10, up by 4-4:30, sometimes in bed by 8-9 and up by 2-3am.

Today's Sleep and awakening times can't be compared to what it was 100 years ago. Back then there was not 24 hour operations like there is now, We live in a different time that is not really comparable to then,

Now if there was a question on the national census that asked this and better than 100 Million people responded, then this would be way better indicator than a study of 10,000 or so people.

 

[femurphy77]

Glad to see we've found a way to keep this going for a few more weeks; it's almost like watching an episode of Jerry Springer!

 

[ATM]

Glad to see we've found a way to keep this going for a few more weeks; it's almost like watching an episode of Jerry Springer!

The DST proponents will each deal with the stages of their grieving process differently. This will be like losing a dear friend for some.

Let's be considerate and make this thread a safe space for them to discuss the pain of their loss as they prepare for a new, saner (yet possibly scary) future of keeping that "extra" hour in the evening year-round, even when it's cold outside.

Be delicate, INGO, these folks aren't used to needing to rationalize their feelings on the subject. Some of them won't see this as just a simple and logical end of schedule and clock changing - truly a win for all - they'll consider it a personal loss





...and a win for me.

 

[Ingomike]

Any stats, are just that stats, and most of the time not actual fact. Stats are nothing but numbers that are manipulated to fit a agenda, it's done all the time.

The population equivalent of .01% of what a lot of info is based on is now where near anything as a indicator on what time American's go to bed.

Over the years the time I have went to bed was dictated on my job type and what it was, For 30 years of my life working 3 jobs in the same industry, I was usually in bed by 10, up by 4-4:30, sometimes in bed by 8-9 and up by 2-3am.

Today's Sleep and awakening times can't be compared to what it was 100 years ago. Back then there was not 24 hour operations like there is now, We live in a different time that is not really comparable to then,

Now if there was a question on the national census that asked this and better than 100 Million people responded, then this would be way better indicator than a study of 10,000 or so people.

Your wife may not know when you go to bed but Google does. For Gods sake if we cannot figure out when most people go to bed or get up what can we?

Thanks for making my point, life is different now than in the past, and DD's personal time schedule is more similar to that past..