9 Killed in Dayton Shooting

[2A_Tom]

[h=1]7 wounded in shooting near Douglas Park playground[/h]https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2019/8/4/20753570/several-wounded-douglas-park-shooting-roosevelt

[h=4]7 wounded in shootout outside Theater on the Lake in Lincoln Park[/h][h=4]1 killed, 4 wounded in Gresham drive-by[/h][h=4]7 shot — 1 fatally — in East Garfield Park mass shooting[/h]

 

[2A_Tom]

At least 7 killed, 48 wounded in Chicago’s most violent weekend this year, West Side bears brunt of the violence
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0190805-rjdbnceupnat7me4z3yjsvfe5y-story.html

 

[Dead Duck]

Chicago doesn't count.

Sadly.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

OK...
So Dayton's one of those trendy "Party Towns" where everyone that's anyone ends up in that area after midnight. I was thinking of some shady bar full of barflies with a **** alley behind it when the reports said "Bar".

Just that area. They were comparing it to Indy's Broadripple or Mass Avenue areas.

 

[Alpo]

Just that area. They were comparing it to Indy's Broadripple or Mass Avenue areas.

Wrong thread. oooops!

 

[2A_Tom]

 

[snorko]

I haven't heard any significant discussion about motive. I assume that means it doesn't fit the anti-Trump, anti-conservative narrative?

 

[Alpo]

Anti-sister sure seems to loom large.

 

[jamil]

May have been why he picked that bar. He was pissed at his sister.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Gun Manufacturer Stocks Rise...

DOW tanked yesterday based on China tariff issues, but gun manufacturer stocks rose after the weekend shootings.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...nd-shootings-calls-for-laws-2019-8-1028418220

 

[KittySlayer]

Update on Dayton murderer, sounds like the bar in Cali and Parkland.
"There was a kill list and a rape list, and my name was on the rape list," one female classmate told the Associated Press. Dayton suspect compiled 'hit list' and 'rape list' in high school: reports


https://www.foxnews.com/us/dayton-ohio-shooting-suspect-hit-list

Here’s a tip for the FBI...

...get a copy of every high school yearbook in the nation, turn to the page with the photo “likely mass shooter”, follow up on the lead. As usual, plenty of people knew but nothing was followed up on.

Where are these kids parents and should they bear any responsibility for failing in raising their kids?

 

[churchmouse]

Here’s a tip for the FBI...

...get a copy of every high school yearbook in the nation, turn to the page with the photo “likely mass shooter”, follow up on the lead. As usual, plenty of people knew but nothing was followed up on.

Where are these kids parents and should they bear any responsibility for failing in raising their kids?

Being a good/poor/bad parent is only one of the factors. Some kids are just not going to be what we consider normal. No matter what we do.

But no one in authority will do anything either. As with 90% of these shootings someone knew the shooter was a whack job. Paper trails easily found after the fact that should have put up red flags but were ignored. The Florida shooting. They (Administrators/LEO) all knew that nut was a ticking time bomb but for the love of federal funds they pushed him aside and rolled the dice. Is this all by design...

 

[d.kaufman]

May have been why he picked that bar. He was pissed at his sister.

Seen an article yesterday that he actually drove his sister and his best friend to the bar. His "best friend" was also on his high school "hit" list as well. They were the first to be shot, his best friend survived from my understanding

 

[Thor]

The shooter was a satan worshiping lib, who openly bragged he was going to kill a lot of people and go to hell where he planned to stay. He sang lead for a pornogrind band called the Menstrual Munchies whose album and song titles and art work would get you banned for publishing them. The guy who started the band is trying to take every copy of the music off line, said he was just joking. He was kicked out of HS for having a kill list and a rape list...then telling people he put on the list about it. He shot his sister and his 'best' friend (who was also on his kill list) and intended to kill a lot more just general people in the area. Yeah, nothing to see here, no warning signs at all. Still waiting for a toxicology report to see what mind altering drugs he was on.

Note: I see D.K already put some of this up in the previous post. Yes his best friend survived and is talking to the police from his hospital bed...I don't think they really need to look too far for motive.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

This gets into an interesting area. Most everyone on INGO is against "red flag laws", until something like this happens and then we all say, "Why didn't someone report the red flags?"

 

[ArcadiaGP]

This gets into an interesting area. Most everyone on INGO is against "red flag laws", until something like this happens and then we all say, "Why didn't someone report the red flags?"

I think we understand that... with freedom, comes risk.

We have to think of solutions that involve not giving away more rights. Ideally, we think more people being armed is good. There's also the option of more police presence, but that's not always a good thing.

Hard to say.

 

[KittySlayer]

This gets into an interesting area. Most everyone on INGO is against "red flag laws", until something like this happens and then we all say, "Why didn't someone report the red flags?"

Red flags of someone crazy does not have to extend to violating their Constitutional rights including Due Process. But ignoring dangerous, crazy people doesn’t work either.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I think we understand that... with freedom, comes risk.

We have to think of solutions that involve not giving away more rights. Ideally, we think more people being armed is good. There's also the option of more police presence, but that's not always a good thing.

Hard to say.

Well, I think it's safe to say that most, if not all of INGO is looking at it from the point of view that "we" would never go bat**** crazy and shoot up a bunch of people, so of course "we" don't want somebody red-flagging "us" just because we own a lot of guns. Clearly though, it seems like most of these shooters were exhibiting truly off-kilter behaviors that have nothing to do with them owning guns. Composing hit lists and rape lists isn't normal by any stretch of the imagination. The Dayton shooter did get suspended from school for his lists, but at what point is it proper to get law enforcement and/or mental health professionals involved? In the case of the latter, it seems like that should've fallen on his parent(s). And I don't think law enforcement could act on the mere existence of these lists. I don't know what the answer is.

 

[Thor]

The problem isn't guns. The problem is we closed the asylums and now the insane walk among us. The mind altering drugs only increase the problem as they cause psychotic episodes in a small percentage of their users but a small percentage means there are thousands of them out there every day...and that doesn't include those who go off their meds and are now worse than before.

Another part of the problem is the 'all things are now normal' crowd who thinks every form of perversion should be accepted in society. Never mind the crazy person, they're just flying their freak flag.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The problem isn't guns. The problem is we closed the asylums and now the insane walk among us. The mind altering drugs only increase the problem as they cause psychotic episodes in a small percentage of their users but a small percentage means there are thousands of them out there every day...and that doesn't include those who go off their meds and are now worse than before.

Another part of the problem is the 'all things are now normal' crowd who thinks every form of perversion should be accepted in society. Never mind the crazy person, they're just flying their freak flag.

i pretty much agree with this. Other than maybe a 72 hour psych hold, involuntary commitment to a mental institution really isn't a viable option anymore either.