I just take my cat with me when I go for a walk. The local dogs don't seem to bother for 'some' reason.
I want the cat.....really.
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What to do when an aggressive large animal charges at you? (While carrying)
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I want the cat.....really.
Have known a couple guys over the years that owned big cats, usually tigers. Tigers is BIG animals. They look big at the zoo, but they look enormous when you're sitting next to one! Uh, 'cause they ARE.
I had a 30+ lb. domestic cat (not fat, BIG!) that seemed to scare the hell out of the local dogs. He was like the 'Ahnold' of housecats.
I was attacked by a pack of wild dogs while jogging in Morocco, and fought them off with a knife, and I can guarantee you if I had been armed with a gun, I would have gone to town.
I've been chased by dogs in the US while running and biking, and even been bitten once, but I've never fired. Lots of dogs will "act tough" but aren't really planning to bite you. I would really hate to shoot someone's pet unless there was no other option.
I've been chased by dogs in the US while running and biking, and even been bitten once, but I've never fired. Lots of dogs will "act tough" but aren't really planning to bite you. I would really hate to shoot someone's pet unless there was no other option.
OK. Lets discuss INGO rules of engagement... you can't start a post with "I was attacked by a pack of wild dogs in Morrocco" without telling us the whole story
I can't find the law, specifically, but I think I remember that "killing a domestic animal" is a felony. Sen. Jim Arnold shepherded that one through a few years ago. Not sure if it had a self-defense clause in it.
ETA: Found it, and it does. SEA 222 from 2009 session. (IC 35-46-3-12(d))
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Back when I was a teen my mother was raising big dogs. She got a hold of a local K-9 cop and he started training them with us. It was really interesting.
Well on a few occassions I geared up and 'caught' dogs for him. Just the big burlap and leather sleeve.
Big shepard charged, I raise my arm and it grabs it. Bit down, shook like hell and in no way would I have been able to get a clean shot off if I was carrying.
Doberman ***** came up, growled, stopped and then lunged. I put my arm up and she was able to flex to get around it. She got my clothes. No marks except maybe a brown spot behind me.
I would never say that letting one lock on was the best laid plan. I have a high tolerance for pain, but if my arm was being shredded by a mutt I don't think I could keep focused enough to make even a contact shot safely.
Well on a few occassions I geared up and 'caught' dogs for him. Just the big burlap and leather sleeve.
Big shepard charged, I raise my arm and it grabs it. Bit down, shook like hell and in no way would I have been able to get a clean shot off if I was carrying.
Doberman ***** came up, growled, stopped and then lunged. I put my arm up and she was able to flex to get around it. She got my clothes. No marks except maybe a brown spot behind me.
I would never say that letting one lock on was the best laid plan. I have a high tolerance for pain, but if my arm was being shredded by a mutt I don't think I could keep focused enough to make even a contact shot safely.
What about putting down my old, sick cat?
Not a lawyer but self defense is an "affirmative defense" to just about anything. So even if a law says it is a felony to kill a dog and mentions no exceptions, self defense would still be a defense against the charge. Of course, as always you would have to prove that.
Luckily I have never had to shoot at a dog but I'm sure it would be very difficult. You would have just a couple seconds to pull your gun, aim, and actually stop the dog before it got to you. Dogs would continue charging at you through the pain (would they even feel it?) so the damage would have to be instantly debilitating such as a shot to the head or maybe a leg so they can't run. I would think the odds of successfully stopping a charging dog with a gun before the dog gets to you would be very minimal.
I'm not sure if I like the recommendation of letting the dog get your arm. When a dog latches on they will start swinging their head back and forth which if the dog is bigger would move you around so much you would not be able to do anything to the dog. So I would recommend doing everything possible before the dog gets you.
Despite the odds with a gun being kind of low I don't think there are much better options and anything is better than nothing. If you do manage to get a round into the dog it might still get you but maybe it will stop shortly after from the pain or loss of blood.
Also, if you did manage to kill or injure a dog with a gun before it got to you I would start to be concerned about the owner as well. Who knows how they might react because to them you just killed a member of their family.
JeremiahJohnson
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Had to shoot a dog while squirrel hunting when I was a teen. Definitely intent on having me for lunch. I'm not letting anything bite me when I can stop it.
I hear that firing a warning shot is the way to go
Maybe in places where the LEO's are reasonable, don't do it in Hamilton County!
You'll shoot your eye out
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We are not talking about attack trained guard dogs here, we are talking about beloved pets. Just like walking through an airport with your favorite rifle might be legal but unnecessary, shooting an ornery dog could be legal but nearly always is unnecessary.
Even in my currently crippled state, I ain't afraid of no dog. 99 times out of 100 they're just bluffing. Of the remaining 1%, 99 out of 100 are relatively easily beaten. A pre-teen child out weighs and can be far more dangerous than most dogs, how would it look to shoot one? You wouldn't be afraid to slap the living crap out of a teen, why not the pooch too?
Authority goes a long way with normal domestic dogs. Tell them NO! and G*d d*mn mean it........ 'Works 99 times out of 100. Failing that, have other options, don't be gun-centric (I made up a word). Your most deadly weapon shouldn't be the first and only available strategy. I can terrify every mutt in my neighborhood with a whiffle bat. I wouldn't kill any of them but I don't mind adjusting attitudes every now and then.
If you fall, if you are small or weak, or if you have debilitating fear of dogs then you might be able to rationalize how it's OK to sling lead up and down residential streets. Or that it was the only option that you killed some kid's soul-mate and created the new generation of rabid anti gun activists. For the average man though you would have a difficult time explaining bullet holes in my car because you were put in fear of your life by a 75 pound little street punk on four legs.
I understand that you shouldn't have to put up with this....... And you don't always know when to carry a whiffle bat. But for me I think that the fear for my life standard should prevail, at least when we are talking about neighborhood dogs. I know I am old but when I was coming up there was a common expression, "Every dog deserves at least one bite"..........
Four or five of them could try my patience though.
Even in my currently crippled state, I ain't afraid of no dog. 99 times out of 100 they're just bluffing. Of the remaining 1%, 99 out of 100 are relatively easily beaten. A pre-teen child out weighs and can be far more dangerous than most dogs, how would it look to shoot one? You wouldn't be afraid to slap the living crap out of a teen, why not the pooch too?
Authority goes a long way with normal domestic dogs. Tell them NO! and G*d d*mn mean it........ 'Works 99 times out of 100. Failing that, have other options, don't be gun-centric (I made up a word). Your most deadly weapon shouldn't be the first and only available strategy. I can terrify every mutt in my neighborhood with a whiffle bat. I wouldn't kill any of them but I don't mind adjusting attitudes every now and then.
If you fall, if you are small or weak, or if you have debilitating fear of dogs then you might be able to rationalize how it's OK to sling lead up and down residential streets. Or that it was the only option that you killed some kid's soul-mate and created the new generation of rabid anti gun activists. For the average man though you would have a difficult time explaining bullet holes in my car because you were put in fear of your life by a 75 pound little street punk on four legs.
I understand that you shouldn't have to put up with this....... And you don't always know when to carry a whiffle bat. But for me I think that the fear for my life standard should prevail, at least when we are talking about neighborhood dogs. I know I am old but when I was coming up there was a common expression, "Every dog deserves at least one bite"..........
Four or five of them could try my patience though.
If a dog or any other animal (four or two-legged) is attacking me, the least of my concerns is whether or not it's someone's pet and how they might feel about it. I'm also not going to put the life of any animal above not receiving a bite, whether it's life threatening or not.
As I've said in the other thread, please don't think because a dog is running at you barking, it's vicious. Obviously if it's showing teeth and snapping at you then I understand, but barking does not make it mean.
My dog does exactly this, and as soon as she gets to ya, she rolls over and squeals like a pig.
She did nail one poor fellow though, peed right on him as he bent over to pet her. I couldn't yell stop fast enough
My dog does exactly this, and as soon as she gets to ya, she rolls over and squeals like a pig.
She did nail one poor fellow though, peed right on him as he bent over to pet her. I couldn't yell stop fast enough
eldirector
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Actually attacked? Defend myself by whatever means are at my disposal. Sitting here typing this, that includes fists, boots, flashlight, knife, and yes... a gun. Heck, even clobber them with the laptop (my boss can buy me a new one).
Dog doing everything BUT actually trying to kill me? Either ignore it (works on the mutts here in the neighborhood), or face it down (works on the rest I have encountered over the years).
I have punted and punched many a mutt that has tried to grab me. Even got one with a shovel (neighbor's untrained Boxer decided I shouldn't dig a hole - bad choice for him). Also yelled at, squirted a hose at, and even grabbed/subdued a few mutts. So far, all parties lived to bark another day.
I really wish folks would train their dogs.
Don't really know, or care, what the law states. I really don't want to get bit.
Dog doing everything BUT actually trying to kill me? Either ignore it (works on the mutts here in the neighborhood), or face it down (works on the rest I have encountered over the years).
I have punted and punched many a mutt that has tried to grab me. Even got one with a shovel (neighbor's untrained Boxer decided I shouldn't dig a hole - bad choice for him). Also yelled at, squirted a hose at, and even grabbed/subdued a few mutts. So far, all parties lived to bark another day.
I really wish folks would train their dogs.
Don't really know, or care, what the law states. I really don't want to get bit.
I really do not think "Slinging Lead" was the intention.
Most of the responses have been pretty straight forward.
No, there is no way a dog ever deserves to bite anyone anymore.....ever.
If the kids soul mate is on the loose and threatening folks/kids then that puts everything in a different perspective and yes, I am old to......
When I had a paper route (remember those) there was a pack of ankle biters I had to ride by every day. They would lay in ambush of any 2 wheel conveyance that might happen by. They took great joy in attaching themselves to what ever body parts are available. I always had a head of steam up when I went past that house. One day one of the little ankle biters missed the mark (my leg being the mark) and ended up in the front spokes. That did not end well for the dog or me. Dog was D.O.A. in the street and I was torn up pretty good. So was my bike. Dogs owner was screaming at me for killing her dog while the remaining 3 or 4 were nipping and biting me. Her broom was liberally applied to me until a neighbor stopped her. LEO called. Ugly scene. Just ugly.
I Had to walk the rest of my route gimped up and leaking.
As far as I am concerned, if your dog is out of the yard they are fair game if they are threatening. If tail is wagging the get a nice scratch behind the ear.
I really wish folks would train their dogs.
Don't really know, or care, what the law states. I really don't want to get bit.
^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Contain/control your animals. This goes for Cats as well
eldirector
Grandmaster
Can I get an "amen"? Been washing cat urine off of our porch WAY too much lately.
They have ruined flour beds and the G-Kids sand box.
Neighbor with all the cats tells me to put a cover on it. I tell her to buy it and haul her robust backside over here every night and put it on. "My" cats are not the problem.
