Help! I bought bad ammo from a police officer!

[Dirtebiker]

DirteBiker, im assuming the possibilities. Im not pointing fingers to make myself feel better. Im assuming all the possibilities. This guy could turn out to reimburse me for my money and take the ammo back. OR, he was in fact stealing the ammo to sell OR he sold them not knowing they would be a problem OR he owned them, knew they were a problem and still sold them.... you see where Im going with this? Im only stating the obvious reasons as to why I was sold this dangerous ammo, but at the same time I am taking responsibility for my actions. It was my fault I didnt pursue my reservations upon viewing what I was purchasing. Im just letting the community know this guy is out there and if anyone can suggest a solution to my problem itd be greatly appreciated yet all Iv got so far is a s**tstorm of absolutely nothing.

I understand you being upset with the seller. Hopefully you don't feel I'm part of the "s**tstorm". I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.
I also don't think most of the people here are really giving you a bunch of crap. Just saying that you made a bad deal, shouldn't have bought reloads from someone you know nothing about, etc.. But you know that now!
As far as "a solution" to your problem, there is none. There is nothing we can do to help you. Live and learn! Like others have said, maybe pull the bullets and re-use or sell the components.
Maybe you'll get lucky and the seller really is a good guy and refunds your money.

Just curious here, how much did you spend on the whole package? Just wondering if it seemed like too good of a deal in the first place, or what.



Anyway, to ! Stick around, it's a great forum!

 

[kkoger]

600$ for a gen 3 glock 22 in great shape and 525 rd of reloads plus 25 new in box critical defense rounds. I was told 100 or more of the reloads i ended up with were factory american eagle rounds, however i simply did not take the time to visually check all the ammo until I got home and as I was loading out to my mags. I felt it was a good deal for the gun I thought I wanted and some practice ammo with some quality carry ammo to boot. It got completely bent out of proportion because I worded that I sold the gun to a friend as if I price gouged him. I think 300$ for any glock22 in good shape is a damn good deal, i just left out the actually money spent and received as i didnt feel it mattered at the time. the reason i sold the glock for 3 was because 3 was all i needed to be able to afford the FN I had been looking at before deciding to try out a glock.

 

[kkoger]

the only reason I said i had 300 in the ammo was in fact because I sold the glock so cheap. AS i said I took the hit on the glock knowing I had the extra money to boot on a new FN. I helped a buddy out and ended up with a new FN, thinking id have plenty of ammo to break it in with. Well I was wrong. In reality had I sold the Glock for what it was worth I would have asked 400 or more putting my cost for the ammunition well below .40$ given I did receive some quality sought after critical defense ammo. Idk where you guys are buying your ammo from, but theres not a wlmart, dunhams, rural king or anywhere quick that has even any type of brass in stock. Hell, around here a box of 100 .22LR became extinct a long time ago, not to mention and .223/5.56 or .308.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Like I said, maybe you'll get lucky, and the guy will buy the ammo back.
Good luck!

 

[Black Cloud]

I'd say sell them at a very discounted rate to someone that actually knows how to reload ammo well. They can then pull the bullets, clean up and resize the brass, and possibly build good ammo from them.

 

[IndyGunworks]

IndyGunWorks, im not even going to argue with you. Youre right, im wrong, but you have to understand this measurement in itself has been attempted, but is by nature highly subjective. See, the bore axis has to do with where the hand rides on the pistol and not a exact location on the pistol itself. Sure you can use things like the bottom arch of the beavertail or other reference points, but this is however not perfect. Like I stated, I feel like the FNS I ended up with has an ultra low bore axis because whether it does or does not, the platform in which I am gripping is simply more comfortable for my hand because of its own unique ergonomic design. I listed many variables to which why I think the FN(XD Like) design is more comfortable in my hand. You may be right about the bore axis of the glock being lower, but its obviously now low enough to compensate for how uncomfortable it was for me to shoot in my hand. So you keep you glock, Ill keep my FN, and we'll spare the fanboy argument for now.

What fits fits. as long as you got something that YOU like that's all that matters.

 

[IndyGunworks]

Just for the record and FYI, I don't tell strangers my occupation "just because." I would be wary of any person that volunteers up that info; without cause.

I am a fireman.

 

[SaintsNSinners]

I'm the best bush hawg blade sharpener this side of apalachia

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I would never buy reloaded chocolates!

Let alone USED chocolates... ewww!

 

[Expat]

Wow, the late shift was on quite a tear last night.

 

[Hotdoger]

So im just going to drop the issues on here and learn from the the mistakes I made. Dont buy privately from people I have no reason to trust, and never post anything on INGO. End of story. Im not going to apologize any longer, Ill just stay out of this forum and continue trying to find my way as an honest guy in a dishonest world.

LOL.

Amazing so many are being HONEST with you and you are having a problem with it. Life is a two way street and sometimes it is good to listen to the cars blowing their horns going the other way and try to figure out why.

 

[KG1]

The OP doesn't have to explain/clarify or make apologies for any misunderstandings to me. I don't care about any of that.

Lesson learned from all this is do not make assumptions when dealing with anyone over firearms and ammunition and certainly do not purchase reloaded ammunition from anyone that's not a reputable professional licensed reloader, which sadly in this case it seems that the reloads were done by a third unknown party and not even the person selling them. Double bad juju.

Someone reading this thread that didn't already follow those important practices can learn from this experience and that's always a good thing.

 

[churchmouse]

Selling re-loads known to be crap is the same as selling a gun known to be crap. People will do anything not to loose a freaking dime these days. The pic of the failed round looked like it fired out of battery. That is a bad deal.

I/we will never pass along anything firearms related if it is faulty. We have cut up and disposed of 2 pistols that were dangerous and beyond reasonable repair.
Some folks (some on this forum I believe) would sell to recoup money.

 

[pute62]

The friend seems to be the only one who came out on top in this thread. $300 for a Glock 22 is a pretty good deal nowadays.

 

[in625shooter]

Selling re-loads known to be crap is the same as selling a gun known to be crap. People will do anything not to loose a freaking dime these days. The pic of the failed round looked like it fired out of battery. That is a bad deal.

I/we will never pass along anything firearms related if it is faulty. We have cut up and disposed of 2 pistols that were dangerous and beyond reasonable repair.
Some folks (some on this forum I believe) would sell to recoup money.

^^THIS^^. I was off the site for a day and see this 12 hours old and there is already 16 Pages of mostly critism.

How many folks preaching/critsizing here have never sent a gun down the road that didn't work properly and omit that little fact when selling or trading it into a gun store? A few more than admit it.

To the OP we all have made bad deals whether with a firearm, trading a car or whatever. It happens just learn from it. It also dosen't matter what people think on your deal to your friend as long as you two are good with it thats what matters. most are probably envious they didn't get a Glock for $300.

Just be more discrete on broadcasting on INGO, not much sympathy on anything here. And as you know the more you try to explain yourself the more it gets twisted by the drive by's!

So

 

[LarryC]

Not to mention, isn't it illegal to sell reloaded ammunition unless you have the proper FFL for it? I would think this "officer" (did you ever see a badge or just take his word for it?) just broke the law.

Also, I wouldn't brag on a public site about buying a gun just to flip for profit inside of 24 hours. That practice too can be frowned upon.

This is NOT illegal per ATF rules. However you can be arrested if you are considered a "Dealer" without a license. This is defined clearly

"Dealer in Firearms other than a gunsmith or a pawnbroker.
A person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase of and resale of firearms, but such a term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms."

 

[HDSilvrStreak]

LarryC - What you have quoted above deals with firearms. It mentions nothing about ammunition. Look at the link I posted further up and check out that discussion. But please don't purport something is NOT illegal per ATF rules when others have clearly demonstrated that it is. Those people are in the ammunition business (I am not, so I rely on the experts for this). I trust that Andrew knows his business and the licensing requirements.

From my understanding, If I reload ammo and give a box or two to my brother or friend, that is OK. If I TRADE a box or two for some comic books, that is also OK. However, being that I don't have the proper license, I cannot sell my reloaded ammunition for cash.

 

[LarryC]

You're going to report him for doing something that you think may require an FFL, when you did something that undoubtedly requires an FFL? You bought a gun you had no intention of keeping just to sell for a profit... That requires an FFL. It's also worth noting that most training facilities don't allow reloads...

But if you think you have a case, contact a lawyer who specializes in gun laws. We have a few on the board. Look up Kirk Freeman and Guy Relford.

The fact he bought a gun to "resell and ENHANCE his collection" is certainly not illegal per ATF laws - see my post above Directly copied from ATF Federal Firearms Regulations Reference guide of 2005 (received by me from the ATF last summer with my FFL-03 License!

 

[HDSilvrStreak]

Sorry, seems to be a bit of misunderstanding. I didn't claim his selling of the firearm that quickly was illegal. I just said I wouldn't brag about it here as I knew he's get some flack from it.

The only thing I claimed was illegal was the "cop" selling reloaded ammunition for cash. I still think it is based on multiple previous INGO discussions.

I think you quoted my post above first, but it was actually another that claimed flipping a gun to be illegal. The only legality I questioned was the ammunition.

 

[mbills2223]

The fact he bought a gun to "resell and ENHANCE his collection" is certainly not illegal per ATF laws - see my post above Directly copied from ATF Federal Firearms Regulations Reference guide of 2005 (received by me from the ATF last summer with my FFL-03 License!

Ok.