Help! I bought bad ammo from a police officer!

[hunternjh]

Can't... Look... Away...

 

[kkoger]

Phylodog, im gonna assume these are general inquiries about the whole ordeal, not just heckling im receiving after insulting your fellow LEO's with the cop hits motorcyclist and walks statement. For that I am sorry, but it is true that a civilians statement against a cops statement never holds value in todays society from my observation. So aside that, i believe he had to have known there was a problem with this ammo because 2 round out of the first 10 I shot exploded. He stated he shot this same type of ammunition at the range and never encountered a problem. Like I said, he told me he was a cop, why would I not trust that? I did, and here lies the conclusion.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Why is that funny?

My take on it when I wrote my last post was that we were in agreement but something was getting lost in translation. This seems to have been the case. Always good when it works out amicably!

 

[mbills2223]

My take on it when I wrote my last post was that we were in agreement but something was getting lost in translation. This seems to have been the case. Always good when it works out amicably!

I was under the same impression.

 

[kkoger]

My mistake was not asking for proof that he was in fact a cop, and a range master at that. My gamble, my loss. But there still lies the problem of a scenario where someone could have been hurt. How do I know hes not selling this ammunition daily? If he is in fact a cop, and he is selling this ammunition daily, whether he knows its dangerous or not, something needs to be done and that is why i brought my problem to the INGO communities attention.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I was under the same impression.

IndyDave has been uncanny in understanding what I have been, apparently poorly, trying to say

 

[IndyDave1776]

A critical question which has not received the attention it deserves is how we measure a person. Is a person the occupation he holds? Is a person the image he presents? Is a person the manifestation of his character which is the sum total of his actions and experiences?

I will grant that some people by virtue of their position (assuming that they are the genuine article) can rightly be held to a higher standard than average, but I have found that most people are far more than their occupation and all are human, thus subject to human nature.

 

[Kutnupe14]

My mistake was not asking for proof that he was in fact a cop, and a range master at that. My gamble, my loss. But there still lies the problem of a scenario where someone could have been hurt. How do I know hes not selling this ammunition daily? If he is in fact a cop, and he is selling this ammunition daily, whether he knows its dangerous or not, something needs to be done and that is why i brought my problem to the INGO communities attention.

Just for the record and FYI, I don't tell strangers my occupation "just because." I would be wary of any person that volunteers up that info; without cause.

 

[mbills2223]

IndyDave has been uncanny in understanding what I have been, apparently poorly, trying to say

Seriously, I'm still not following you...

He said that in a free market, price gouging is not possible. I said the same thing... Help me out here.

 

[Dirtebiker]

It mattered whether the seller was a cop because I did not believe a LEO would sell bad ammo knowing it would be a problem or a potential hazard to the person buying it. The guy seemed super cool and we even talked about trucks and other off topic things for a good 10min. I wouldnt buy reloads off of some guy that went out and bought a reloading set. I just figured they were reloads from brass used at the range and shipped out to be reloaded and restocked for use. Maybe I paid a little more than I should have but with the way price gougers are today how could I expect a better deal? I sure as heck didnt think Id be the one to get screwed. AS I said earlier, I have nothing against LEO's, but there are a lot of bad ones out there. There is no way you can argue that there are not, or at least not in my area. But i made the gamble, and ill pay the price. If this guy doesnt make it right ill take it on the chin and forever never trust any LEO anymore than a regular seller when buying guns or ammo. Ill just go to a dealer from now on and pay their inflated prices.

I guess I was under the impression that you thought he reloaded it himself, are you saying that you thought he stole the ammo from the department to resell?

My point in asking why it mattered if he was a cop or not, being a police officer is a job, an occupation. That's all! There are good and bad cops just like there are good and bad in all occupations. I Can't understand anyone thinking they can "trust" a cop more that anyone else, just because of what that person has chosen as a profession.
Hopefully you learned a lesson about dealing with a total stranger. At least here, we have some level of communication and "vetting". Not that it's that much better, but at least, you can gt a feel for other members.

 

[kkoger]

IndyDave, thats the problem exactly. I just trusted he was a cop and in fact a trustworthy person to buy a gun and ammunition from. I held him to a higher standard because he was a LEO. Thats how I was raised to regard an LEO. But in this case, and sadly in many other cases, I was dead wrong. Obviously.

 

[tmanbuddyy]

Buying ammo from a non licensed reloader. Is a risk you take blow your gun up or your face off. That's the risk you take as a good rule of thumb never buy reloaded ammo. Unless its done by a licensed reloader

 

[Kutnupe14]

IndyDave, thats the problem exactly. I just trusted he was a cop and in fact a trustworthy person to buy a gun and ammunition from. I held him to a higher standard because he was a LEO. Thats how I was raised to regard an LEO. But in this case, and sadly in many other cases, I was dead wrong. Obviously.

No, you have no idea. You never confirmed that he was LEO or not. You don't even know if you have the guy's real name. And who is to say that the guy did this purposefully? Perhaps he thought he did a good job.

Perhaps he typically does a great job of reloading, but he picked up a box of crappy rounds that his son has been learning to load on.

Suppose you asked to test the quality of the rounds prior to purchase, do you think the guy would have runoff? I have a hard time believing that a person would meet face to face and sell purposefully subpar reloads. Online, yeah, in person.... hard to swallow.

You made a bunch of assumptions, and the only one that is legit, is that you didn't get enough info.

 

[IndyDave1776]

IndyDave, thats the problem exactly. I just trusted he was a cop and in fact a trustworthy person to buy a gun and ammunition from. I held him to a higher standard because he was a LEO. Thats how I was raised to regard an LEO. But in this case, and sadly in many other cases, I was dead wrong. Obviously.

All you can do is learn from it and continue on. It is much easier to deal with this type of situation when not involved and not experiencing loss of any type. One of the challenges from my perspective is that on INGO we have several truly superior lawmen. So far as life on the street goes, my cumulative personal experience (for someone who has never been arrested, charged, or even accused of any crime) would have to improve to get up to terrible. This puts me in a difficult position since on one hand, my travels are full of police the majority of which are on the wrong side of the bars, but then again, when dealing with that or the fact that it is reasonable to expect those enforcing the laws to be lawful themselves, I have the some of the best examples of law enforcement feeling that they are taking it in the chin for what from their perspective are hypothetically existing police who are no damn good. Being both honest concerning experience and fair to those who are present and representing the profession can be quite a challenge.

I should emphasize that anyone can claim to be anything, and your previous post was correct that verifying such a claim is very important.

 

[kkoger]

DirteBiker, im assuming the possibilities. Im not pointing fingers to make myself feel better. Im assuming all the possibilities. This guy could turn out to reimburse me for my money and take the ammo back. OR, he was in fact stealing the ammo to sell OR he sold them not knowing they would be a problem OR he owned them, knew they were a problem and still sold them.... you see where Im going with this? Im only stating the obvious reasons as to why I was sold this dangerous ammo, but at the same time I am taking responsibility for my actions. It was my fault I didnt pursue my reservations upon viewing what I was purchasing. Im just letting the community know this guy is out there and if anyone can suggest a solution to my problem itd be greatly appreciated yet all Iv got so far is a s**tstorm of absolutely nothing.

 

[Kutnupe14]

DirteBiker, im assuming the possibilities. Im not pointing fingers to make myself feel better. Im assuming all the possibilities. This guy could turn out to reimburse me for my money and take the ammo back. OR, he was in fact stealing the ammo to sell OR he sold them not knowing they would be a problem OR he owned them, knew they were a problem and still sold them.... you see where Im going with this? Im only stating the obvious reasons as to why I was sold this dangerous ammo, but at the same time I am taking responsibility for my actions. It was my fault I didnt pursue my reservations upon viewing what I was purchasing. Im just letting the community know this guy is out there and if anyone can suggest a solution to my problem itd be greatly appreciated yet all Iv got so far is a s**tstorm of absolutely nothing.

Call it a learning experience. Thank the lord you or someone else didnt get injured. Remember so it doesnt happen again.
There's no crime here, you have a civil issue... which will cost more to a legel remedy than what you are currently out.

 

[kkoger]

There are just a lot of variables here in this thread that have been lost in translation. Either I typed it out one way and it came out another, or someone somewhere totally missed my entire point. For that, I will again take fault. My bad. My blunder. Other than that, what I think youre all coming around to understand is that this happened to me. Therefore, how do I know this isnt happening to someone else right now by the same guy. All i do know for a fact is his phone number, email and first name. He said his last name at the meet but I simply didnt take note. I only wanted suggestions to help me make my case against him if he ever replies and put word out that this along with the price gouging is what the industry is transforming into because of bad deals like this that leave the innocent party SOL.

 

[kkoger]

And to clear up who reloaded what, he stated the he himself did not reload the ammunition. He acquired, whether he bought or stole them, from the range where he claimed to be range master. He said they collect new spent brass, send it out to be reloaded, and keep it in stock for range use. So he himself did not reload this ammunition.

 

[kkoger]

So im just going to drop the issues on here and learn from the the mistakes I made. Dont buy privately from people I have no reason to trust, and never post anything on INGO. End of story. Im not going to apologize any longer, Ill just stay out of this forum and continue trying to find my way as an honest guy in a dishonest world.

 

[mbills2223]

So im just going to drop the issues on here and learn from the the mistakes I made. Dont buy privately from people I have no reason to trust, and never post anything on INGO. End of story. Im not going to apologize any longer, Ill just stay out of this forum and continue trying to find my way as an honest guy in a dishonest world.

No one wants you to leave INGO, of that I can assure you!