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  • Trapper Jim

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    Next up for review is the Smith and Wesson Model 617. Model 617 | Smith & Wesson (smith-wesson.com). The one I have is the older 6 round model and I do not believe they make it anymore? Now many of you that know me understand that I prefer carbon steel guns but this little stainless beauty is one of my favorites.

    Two of us met at the chilly range today to give these guns a little workout. It helped when we turned on our portable heater. My buddy has the newer 10 shot model. I have not yet upgraded to the high capacity revolver. We shot the Wilson 5x5 and even though it is rated for centerfire guns, it is a blast to shoot with .22’s. I use the 5x5 for student evals and to measure their progress. He cleaned my clock twice by over 5 points. I did notice however, he fired single action at the head which is an option for double action revolvers.

    One thing I like about the .22 revolver is, that it will shoot all kinds of rimfire. .22CB, Shorts, Long’s, and Long Rifle. I grew up quick drawing and shooting rats in the City Dump in Rochester and mice around the grain bins on the farm. The shorts were by far my favorite for the mice but I have to admit, the HV LR were needed for rats as some of them were bigger than the cats.

    A few things different about the 10 shot over the 6 shot model concern me. First, for my liking, the revolver should only be 5 or 6 shots. The included pics show the reduced material around the extractor star. When you have to fit ten notches for the rachet hand, they end up being a lot smaller (delicate) than the six shot configuration. Also the thickness of the extractor is somewhat thinner for the higher capacity cylinder. I also like the extra metal around the charge holes when it is drilled for 6 instead of 10. For field work and SCSA Welcome to SCSA - Steel Challenge , only having 6 shots works for me. Since there are only 5 targets in a string in SCSA, like bowling pins, if you have to fire more than 6, you are out of the running anyway. That’s just me and how I roll.

    While my buddy was sleeping as I got to the range first, I went ahead and did my 7yrd 6 inch paper plate drill. The target is set at 7yrds, (defensive distance) and on signal, present and shoot one plate with six rounds. Repeat 3 more times. Of course, my presentation started from a leather holster and hands shoulder high. I had very consistent runs and of course, no misfires and such. The first shot hovered around 1.65.

    This model, built around the model 17, (watch for review on this classic) includes a full underlug under the barrel. Now I have had this model in 6 inch before but found the balance to be out of whack in this configuration because of the full underlug. I shoot it 98 percent of the time double action but every once in awhile take a single action shot. Just because I can.

    This 617 has the smoothest action of all my revolvers. Of course, the front of the cylinder has been beveled for looks and ease of re-holstering. It may have nothing to do with it, but I find the exterior of the cylinder blow back area easier to clean as well. The single action breaks at about 2 ½ pounds and the DA mode takes 8 lbs of energy. I could go a little lighter but reliability on various .22’s is important. Back in the day, the Jerry Kuhnhausen Heritage Gun Books - Gunsmithing, Repair and Maintenance Manuals book helped me a lot with revolver smithing.

    The all steel Patridge style front sight is pinned and is just perfect for being durable and easy to pick up. I just love the original font that Smith stamped into their guns before they went to the new larger font. Just me. Of course as all my revolvers, I have the wide target hammer and trigger on this revolver.
    I may put on a 10shot 617 one of these days but for now this little 4 inch suits me just fine. After all, the dialogue isn’t..”in all this excitement, I can’t remember if I fired 9 or 10, well do ya feel …?”

    Watch for more reviews, they have been fun and thanks for all the kind words and I will keep them coming. Everyday is an opportunity to enjoy guns in some way or other.

    Good Shooting!!

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    Once again very nicely written review! I am a fan of the 6 shot 617 too! Picked up a 617-1 4" earlier this year. I was out shooting it just this past weekend.
     

    SAILORGOLF46

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    Thank you Jim. Just this month bought a 17-3 dated 1968 and looking forward to your review. I also have a Mod 63 when lighter and shorter is wanted. Keep up the intertainment and education, us old wheel gunners appreciate these articals.
     

    gregkl

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    Nice review. You do a good job of including pertinent content. I have the same version (only not as shiny!). It's a -1 and it is one of the guns I will never sell. I have had so much fun with it over the years shooting everything from squirrels to cans to birds.

    It is so accurate in my hands and like you say the 4" barrel really balances it well.

    I have not done any work on the action yet, but one day I will go in smooth it out ala Jerry's book. No spring changes for me though. I leave them factory in that regard.

    It's the only non-blued gun I own but I decided at that time to get the "6" instead of just the "17" just to have something that looked different than my 586.:)
     

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    Another good write up Jim.
    These are great guns but really heavy with that small hole in the full profile barrel.
    10 shots are better than 6 everyday :stickpoke:

    No down side to the 10 shot guns except sentimental reasons.:)
     

    Twangbanger

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    Another good write up Jim.
    These are great guns but really heavy with that small hole in the full profile barrel.
    10 shots are better than 6 everyday :stickpoke:

    No down side to the 10 shot guns except sentimental reasons.:)

    Just curious, are the pop culture references to timing problems on the 9 and 10 shot guns just claptrap? I have also heard the dig about less engagement on the star. With the newer guns and mim parts, I always dismissed it and assumed getting parts would not be a problem. (But I am definitely protecting my older smiths from too much DA use these days...Denny R advised before his passing that some parts are getting scarce to unobtainable).
     
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    Bosshoss

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    Just curious, are the pop culture references to timing problems on the 9 and 10 shot guns just claptrap? I have also heard the dig about less engagement on the star. With the newer guns and mim parts, I always dismissed it and assumed getting parts would not be a problem. (But I am definitely protecting my older smiths from too much DA use these days...Denny R advised before his passing that some parts are getting scarce to unobtainable).

    I see just as many timing problems with old Smiths that I do with newer ones FWIW.
    The ratchets on the star are smaller but I know lots of shooters shooting the 10 shot guns in competition and none of them have had timing or ratchet were problems.
    Most of those guns have pretty high round counts also. My 10 shot gun only has about 30K thru it due to ammo disappearing for a few years after Sandy Hook.
     

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    Another good write up Jim.
    These are great guns but really heavy with that small hole in the full profile barrel.
    10 shots are better than 6 everyday :stickpoke:

    No down side to the 10 shot guns except sentimental reasons.:)

    You got a good point and I took your advice and since COVID gave me some free time this year I have put on three current new L Frame Classics. You were right when you told me a few years back, that the machining and parts fit was so clean and easy in the new ones. Being a doubting Thomas, as I seen the problems with 1st gen MIM, I am enjoying these guns a lot. I have got about 20K through them now without a problem. I know what you are saying when many pass through your hands you see specs all over the board. And I have to admit, buying 3 new old smiths vs these three new smiths, I see a better consistency in manufacturing, however, the old smiths that I have ended up keeping have never given me a problem. And for sentimental reasons, I seem to prefer the craftsman putting the old ones together (with all their faults) than more of an assembly with the new ones. Thats what bit Remington in the butt, cause they thought they could buy Marlin and just assemble them instead of fit them. It's Ironic that they finally figured out Post 2018 but too little too late as they say. I have heard the also that Smith sits on it's parts but can not confirm as I have a source and don't have to deal with the parts department.
     

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    You got a good point and I took your advice and since COVID gave me some free time this year I have put on three current new L Frame Classics. You were right when you told me a few years back, that the machining and parts fit was so clean and easy in the new ones. Being a doubting Thomas, as I seen the problems with 1st gen MIM, I am enjoying these guns a lot. I have got about 20K through them now without a problem. I know what you are saying when many pass through your hands you see specs all over the board. And I have to admit, buying 3 new old smiths vs these three new smiths, I see a better consistency in manufacturing, however, the old smiths that I have ended up keeping have never given me a problem. And for sentimental reasons, I seem to prefer the craftsman putting the old ones together (with all their faults) than more of an assembly with the new ones. Thats what bit Remington in the butt, cause they thought they could buy Marlin and just assemble them instead of fit them. It's Ironic that they finally figured out Post 2018 but too little too late as they say. I have heard the also that Smith sits on it's parts but can not confirm as I have a source and don't have to deal with the parts department.


    Don't get me wrong I still love the old Smith's especially the blued one's.
    They were/are great guns but as someone that works on them everyday they are in NO WAY as good as the new ones. A full top of the line trigger job on a forged part gun usually takes me 2-4 hours longer than a new gun. The forged parts are ALWAYS not true and need put back in spec.
    I love hearing all the complaints about the new guns like canted barrels. I see just as many canted barrels on older pinned barrel guns as I do the new ones. I have dozens of pictures of them to show the non believers( I don't even bother to take pictures of them anymore).
    The good thing about a S&W Revolver is even when things are not right or in spec they will usually work just fine and no one will be the wiser.
    Old or new shoot and enjoy them they are great guns.
     

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    Just curious, are the pop culture references to timing problems on the 9 and 10 shot guns just claptrap? I have also heard the dig about less engagement on the star. With the newer guns and mim parts, I always dismissed it and assumed getting parts would not be a problem. (But I am definitely protecting my older smiths from too much DA use these days...Denny R advised before his passing that some parts are getting scarce to unobtainable).
    Sounds like from the above posts the timing is not an issue but one concern I noticed when I checked out one of the newer model 617 10 shots last year was that the cylinder had more play than a schoolyard full of kindergartners. This was with hammer fully cocked or with hammer down with trigger fully pulled. Now this was used of course but I passed on it.

    I picked up a four inch 6 shot 617-1 early last year which has turned out to be one of my favorite guns to shoot. Suppose to be 1996 production. The lock up seems on par with a pair of 686s I have.

    I never thought I would buy a newer 617 but did yesterday at a local auction - a 617-6 six inch , has MIM and the lock but as long as its an accurate shooter is what I am looking for. I was surprised being a newer one it was a 6 shot too. The lock up is right on par with my older 586 which has no cylinder movement. I'll probably test it out next weekend.
     
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