The Open Carry Argument

[GBuck]

I hate it when people compare businesses to a private dwelling. My home does not welcome patronage from random strangers. There are different rules that apply.

Please explain.


I own a store. I don't want people carrying in my store. I ask them to leave. They do not leave. I have the police come and they are removed with notice of a trespass. They come back. The police take them to jail.

Correct me where I am wrong, please.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Please explain.


I own a store. I don't want people carrying in my store. I ask them to leave. They do not leave. I have the police come and they are removed with notice of a trespass. They come back. The police take them to jail.

Correct me where I am wrong, please.

It's not just "public" and "private"

There are varying degrees of private.

A business is created with the intent to sell to the public. It is a private establishment, and the understand is that you are welcome to enter said private business to utilize it's services.

My home, though, has no such understanding. You are not allowed to enter a home, on a whim, on your own choosing.

 

[GBuck]

I don't think that was TFs point. He seemed to be saying that store owners didnt necessarily have the right to prevent you from being in their store with a gun.


Fwiw, I think the majority of people understand that we are not saying "private" meaning away from others (as in your home), but private meaning privately owned.

 

[eldirector]

Please explain.


I own a store. I don't want people carrying in my store. I ask them to leave. They do not leave. I have the police come and they are removed with notice of a trespass. They come back. The police take them to jail.

Correct me where I am wrong, please.

Two major differences:
- It is perfectly legal for someone to enter your store. It only becomes illegal when you ask them to leave and they do not. It is NOT legal for a random stranger to just walk into my house. I don't have to ASK them to leave, I can ORDER them and back it up with force.

- There is also a long list of reasons you CANNOT ask someone to leave for (race, religion, etc...) and even some reasons you MUST provide reasonable accommodation for, even if you don't like it. I have no such restrictions at home.

 

[Dead Duck]

A Store Owner will need to call the police if they don't comply.

A Home Owner can just shoot them.



Simple.

 

[wrnyhuise]

to be completely honest i Open Carry. I don't wish to buy larger pants to fit my holster. I prefer to carry with a drop down leg holster but have yet to purchase one. Yes I know people will stare and make comments but i am trained well in firearms. I am safe and do not carry the look of a crazy. I am legal and people can deal with it. it is my right.

 

[GetA2J]

to be completely honest i Open Carry. I don't wish to buy larger pants to fit my holster. I prefer to carry with a drop down leg holster but have yet to purchase one. Yes I know people will stare and make comments but i am trained well in firearms. I am safe and do not carry the look of a crazy. I am legal and people can deal with it. it is my right.

Thank you for being so open and honest about your disorder. Counselors are on staff to assist with your problems, just ask.

 

[stephen87]

OC is like driving a Lamborghini. Everyone knows what you have, it's only to draw attention to yourself, and most you can't even handle the power correctly.


Is that a better analogy? FTR, I OC.

 

[wrnyhuise]

Thank you for being so open and honest about your disorder. Counselors are on staff to assist with your problems, just ask.

A disorder i think not. I simply choose not to wear extra clothes to hide my gun because someone who sees it might get a little butthurt. My right to bear arms says absolutely nothing about coming with condition of "just so long as it does not offend someone". The only thing that makes this an issue at all is people being afraid of somebody's reaction to seeing a gun. If this is the case then i need to cut off all of my tattoos because they might offend somebody and we can't have that now can we?

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

A disorder i think not. I simply choose not to wear extra clothes to hide my gun because someone who sees it might get a little butthurt. My right to bear arms says absolutely nothing about coming with condition of "just so long as it does not offend someone". The only thing that makes this an issue at all is people being afraid of somebody's reaction to seeing a gun. If this is the case then i need to cut off all of my tattoos because they might offend somebody and we can't have that now can we?

Purple=sarcasm.

 

[GetA2J]

Purple=sarcasm.

Thank you LSaB. Haha

I run a business so during business hours I conceal my handgun....but when the open sign goes out I open carry almos every day. I was being TOTALLY sarcastic. (purple plus smilies)

 

[danielson]

Looks to me like the "militant" OCers (oh wait.. OC'ers) are the ones abit butthurt.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Please explain.


I own a store. I don't want people carrying in my store. I ask them to leave. They do not leave. I have the police come and they are removed with notice of a trespass. They come back. The police take them to jail.

Correct me where I am wrong, please.

I don't think that was TFs point. He seemed to be saying that store owners didnt necessarily have the right to prevent you from being in their store with a gun.


Fwiw, I think the majority of people understand that we are not saying "private" meaning away from others (as in your home), but private meaning privately owned.

Are you being dense, obtuse or just playing Devil's Advocate?

I have first hand experience dealing with the differences of carrying on private and public property. My post was dealing with the comparing of a private business to a private dwelling (home) not in regards to carrying but to tresspass and what rules could be posted/enforced.

 

[jerryv]

Wow .. it smells of testosterone in this thread. So many people who are so correct.

Red is a better color than Green. A LOT better.

 

[MikeDVB]

Wow .. it smells of testosterone in this thread. So many people who are so correct.

Red is a better color than Green. A LOT better.

Nope, I like Orange... Orange is the best.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Nope, I like Orange... Orange is the best.

I agree! Orange is my favorite color...

Go Vols!

 

[danielson]

yes indeed

 

[blitz91]

orange is good unless you've spent any time on 465 on the west side in the last ten years or so, scarred for life!

 

[mk2ja]

Orange!

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Trying to steer this back on topic.

It occurs to me that virtually the only place I get hassled for OC is right here on INGO.

Really.