Submarine tour of the Titanic goes missing

[actaeon277]

Jesse Waters just interviewed another sub captain who has been to the Titanic. He was graceful, but not at all positive on the outcome of this


.

Anything happening at that depth, is gonna give most submariners the eebie jeebies.

 

[Peacekeeper3073]

Submersible scientist fears OceanGate may have suffered catastrophic implosion: 'Deeply worrisome'

Submersible scientist Steve Somlyody fears the OceanGate, a deep-sea vehicle used to explore the wreckage of the Titanic, may have suffered a catastrophic implosion.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Ark]

Submersible scientist fears OceanGate may have suffered catastrophic implosion: 'Deeply worrisome'

Submersible scientist Steve Somlyody fears the OceanGate, a deep-sea vehicle used to explore the wreckage of the Titanic, may have suffered a catastrophic implosion.

www.foxnews.com

He mentions sonobuoys. They're not side-scan sonar, they can't map the ocean floor, but they are very good hydrophones and I wonder if they've dropped a few just to listen for mechanical transients. Like, the clanking and clunking of lead ballast pipes being dislodged by a mechanical backup system? 4,000 yards is considered very close range for nuclear submarine hydrophones, and 4,000 yards down is the same density of water as 4,000 yards away.

I wonder if there is enough of the SOSUS system left in the North Atlantic to have possibly picked up an implosion. Yeah, it's not a nuclear submarine hitting crush depth, but it would have been a decent boom. They have a timestamp for loss of communication, I wonder if the Coast Guard has put in a call to check the logs for an event.

 

[natdscott]

Oh yeah. Somebody already knows what happened. Probably multiple somebody-types.

 

[tbhausen]

Wouldn’t the thermocline make it pretty difficult to detect anything from above?

 

[cbhausen]

Remember this scene from The Abyss? First thing I thought of when I heard about the missing submersible. At least the end would be painless (not counting any warning the occupants might get). Hopefully they surface or are recovered alive and well but it doesn’t look promising. If found intact on the ocean floor is any form of recovery even possible?

Not easy to watch, even if it’s Hollywood-fake (as I’m sure we’ll find out… @actaeon277 please pick up the red courtesy phone…)

 

[actaeon277]

Remember this scene from The Abyss? First thing I thought of when I heard about the missing submersible. At least the end would be painless (not counting any warning the occupants might get). Hopefully they surface or are recovered alive and well but it doesn’t look promising. If found intact on the ocean floor is any form of recovery even possible?

Not easy to watch, even if it’s Hollywood-fake (as I’m sure we’ll find out… @actaeon277 please pick up the red courtesy phone…

No.
There would have been no warning of a cracking plastic lens.
There would have been no caress of a gentle trickle spray of water.

As soon as that crack happened, the water would have come through that spot.
All of the water.
In an instant.


When the Thresher sank, it was determined from Navy hydrophone networks that the entire submarine (much larger than this one) was entirely filled with water in tenths of a second.
And it wasn't even close to this depth.
It burst in through whatever weak point there was, so that the entire sub did not implode.

 

[tbhausen]

Eh, easy to watch because he was a real **** in the film.

 

[actaeon277]

Wouldn’t the thermocline make it pretty difficult to detect anything from above?

Since my firefox browser seems to be rebooting every time I try to copy/paste, do a search for SOSUS

 

[cbhausen]

Eh, easy to watch because he was a real **** in the film.

That, and a healthy helping of nitrogen narcosis. All in the script.

 

[actaeon277]

Eh, easy to watch because he was a real **** in the film.

I haven't watched that movie in awhile.

Wasn't the story, that he was separated from his superiors, and that caused him to have problems?
Cause, that's kinda BS. SEALS operate away from their superiors on a regular basis.
Or maybe I'm thinking of the wrong movie.


Also, the flooding of the sub, in the beginning, was realistic if the sub was relatively shallow.

I was told, there's 2 kinds of leaks on a sub.
The first kind, you find.
The second kind, finds you.

 

[actaeon277]

Wouldn’t the thermocline make it pretty difficult to detect anything from above?

Also, as with most things... it depends.

 

[tbhausen]

Since my firefox browser seems to be rebooting every time I try to copy/paste, do a search for SOSUS

Good stuff:

The Cold War: History of the SOund SUrveillance System (SOSUS)

The end of World War II (WWII) saw the beginning of the Cold War between the Soviet Union and the United States and its allies. By early 1950, the U.S. Navy realized that Soviet submarines, which were based on the best of German WWII technology, posed a grave threat to America’s security...

dosits.org

 

[tbhausen]

Unfiltered, candid, probably the most informative thing I’ve read yet:

Missing Titanic submarine: Man aboard last year says it had issues

“The hatch, by the way, is sealed with 17 bolts from the outside. So there’s no way to escape when you’re inside,” Pogue said.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[KellyinAvon]

Eh, easy to watch because he was a real **** in the film.

I was OK when Doc Holiday took him out too.

 

[KellyinAvon]

@actaeon277 if there was an implosion, would there be debris on the surface?

 

[Ark]

No.
There would have been no warning of a cracking plastic lens.
There would have been no caress of a gentle trickle spray of water.

As soon as that crack happened, the water would have come through that spot.
All of the water.
In an instant.


When the Thresher sank, it was determined from Navy hydrophone networks that the entire submarine (much larger than this one) was entirely filled with water in tenths of a second.
And it wasn't even close to this depth.
It burst in through whatever weak point there was, so that the entire sub did not implode.

Supposedly it had a structural monitoring system. And there were possible problems with the hull several weeks ago...

If the hull failed it would have burst like an egg. Just a little debris field of parts and two titanium hemispheres.

 

[Mr. Habib]

Did anyone on the sub have ties to the Clintons?

 

[MrSmitty]

Did anyone on the sub have ties to the Clintons?

Dang... you went there!

 

[Leadeye]

Back in the cold war I believe we had a lot of the Atlantic well monitored. I would think that if it imploded that would be on a hydrophone somewhere. Act is more knowledgeable on this so I'll be interested in his assessment.