Paintballs as a less than lethal option

[snorko]

A few years ago I was standing with some friends outside a coffee shop one evening. A truck slowed as it approached the corner and the front passenger pointed what turned out to be a paintball gun out the window and fired off three rounds. I had started to turn towards the vehicle when it was slowing and caught one of the rounds right above my right eye. I still have a small scar. If it had hit an inch and a half lower I would have probably lost the eye and who knows, maybe it would have fully penetrated and it could have been lethal. Seems silly to say that but a full power paintball gun at 15-20' is no joke.

So from experience, I consider anyone pointing a paintball gun at me to be a threat and will respond in kind.

 

[MRockwell]

i work at a prison we use paint balls full of OC they work great.they are very accurate and not lethal but they stop people very well

excuse my ignorance, what is OC?

I used to play paintball in college. Got tagged in the small of the back once, and the only thing it did was **** me off. I like the idea of pepper spray for less than lethal response.

 

[Cameramonkey]

excuse my ignorance, what is OC?

I used to play paintball in college. Got tagged in the small of the back once, and the only thing it did was **** me off. I like the idea of pepper spray for less than lethal response.

OC... "Tear gas". In this case, its in a powder form inside the ball.

 

[cosermann]

OC is from"oleoresin capsicum". In this context it's more commonly called "pepper spray."

(Not to be confused with OC, as in "open carry", elsewhere on the forum.)

 

[Thor]

I consider the 'less than lethal' part of the response in crowd control to apply to me...not the crowd out of control. If I'm facing down an unruly mob, since it's not my job, it would be in defense of home and family. Perp-er spray would not apply.

 

[stephen87]

Yeah but we can't use that - it says it's for law enforcement.

So you have to use it on groups of LE?

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Didn't Jeff Cooper recommend using .22lr for this?

 

[Thor]

Didn't Jeff Cooper recommend using .22lr for this?

My recommendation would be .45-70, followed by .12 ga 00 buck, then your rapid fire weapon of choice, then a two handed sword or two single handers...maybe a large vehicle preferably armored...

 

[The Bubba Effect]

My recommendation would be .45-70, followed by .12 ga 00 buck, then your rapid fire weapon of choice, then a two handed sword or two single handers...maybe a large vehicle preferably armored...

I'm serious. It's in "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth". He advocates using a suppressed .22 with some kind of optic. He figures a lung shot with a .22lr will likely not kill someone if they get to a hospital in reasonable time, but will take away their willingness to riot.

 

[YayGuns]

The first round in my home defense shotgun is a rubber 00 buck round. I figure if they get up after that, then I'll remodel the drywall

 

[MRockwell]

OC... "Tear gas". In this case, its in a powder form inside the ball.

OC is from"oleoresin capsicum". In this context it's more commonly called "pepper spray."

(Not to be confused with OC, as in "open carry", elsewhere on the forum.)

Thanks guys. I figured it was some type of chemical, just couldn't wrap my brain around it.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Not trying to be a jerk, but why would you shoot someone with something that could kill them, but is not as good at killing them as regular 00 buck?

 

[chezuki]

Not trying to be a jerk, but why would you shoot someone with something that could kill them, but is not as good at killing them as regular 00 buck?

Perhaps he has an appetite for litigation?

 

[Sylvain]

The first round in my home defense shotgun is a rubber 00 buck round. I figure if they get up after that, then I'll remodel the drywall

Are you in touch with the guy who will break into your home to make sure his first round is also a rubber round?

If not someone could be shooting some real bullets at you while you're shooting rubber ones at them.
To me pointing a loaded shotgun at someone is already your non-lethal option.

Not to mention that having both lethal and non-lethal in the same gun is never a smart idea.
What if you decide to shoot at someone in your yard to "scare them off" thinking you have a rubber slug in the chamber but send a 00 buck instead?

 

[Coach]

Perhaps he has an appetite for litigation?

Could not rep for this snappy comment, but I tried.

 

[Sylvain]

Could not rep for this snappy comment, but I tried.

Chezuki always has snappy comments.I can't rep him for them all either.

 

[Thor]

I'm serious. It's in "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth". He advocates using a suppressed .22 with some kind of optic. He figures a lung shot with a .22lr will likely not kill someone if they get to a hospital in reasonable time, but will take away their willingness to riot.

If there are a few rioters or more likely looters with only enough conviction to want to get some free stuff that might work. If it's a wall of folks wanting to burn down your neighborhood maybe not so much. That's when you need some real object lessons that get everyone thinking they could be next.

And I'm thinking maybe a suppressed .22 is not a real attention getter.

 

[wizard_of_ahs]

If I'm at the point that I think I'm in trouble...........I sure as hell aren't going to stir the pot.......I'm blowing holes in it

 

[findingZzero]

To add insult to injury, pink paint works best.

 

[wesnellans]

My go to for less than lethal has always been 9mm. I only break out the .45 if something needs to die.

IT HURTS! THE LAUGHING, IT HURTS!

Oh, you kid.