No firearms allowed signs

[Hammerhead]

Will somebody explain what type of signs definitely carry the weight of the law vs ones that don't? I'm a newbie, so I need all the help you guys can provide.

There are only a handful of places that are codified in the Indiana Code that are legally off limits. K-12 schools, certain daycares and preschools, riverboat casinos, the Statehouse and surrounding grounds, the state fair grounds during the state fair, past the security checkpoints at airports and on certain airplanes, correctional facilities and jails. Courthouses can prohibit carry, but it's not illegal per the IC.

Anywhere else that decides to post a no firearms sign is just a "rule" or "policy" and as such hold no weight of law in Indiana. They can request anything they want. The only request that must be followed is the request (or demand, if they're being jerks) to leave the premises, which you can be asked to leave for any reason. If you don't, then you can be trespassed.


Carry on.

 

[Grump01]

It is now against the law for a company or government entity to make a policy that keeps you from keeping a gun locked up out of sight in your car in the parking lot. I read that while I was applying for my carry permit earlier this year.

The "VA" is Federal, therefore NOT included in the preemption law. And parking lots are included there.

 

[JimmyR]

Will somebody explain what type of signs definitely carry the weight of the law vs ones that don't? I'm a newbie, so I need all the help you guys can provide.

Certain places are specified as gun free zones by Indiana Law (I can't find the IC reference right now, I'll try to find it later) such as Federal courthouses, schools, and government office buildings.

"No Guns" signs have no force of law because there is no law supporting them. However, property owners will post them on their property to let incoming patrons know that firearms are not welcome. If you enter an establishment that has a "No guns" sign posted, and you are asked to leave, you must follow that request or you can be charged with Trespassing.

 

[Kutnupe14]

There are only a handful of places that are codified in the Indiana Code that are legally off limits. K-12 schools, certain daycares and preschools, riverboat casinos, the Statehouse and surrounding grounds, the state fair grounds during the state fair, past the security checkpoints at airports and on certain airplanes, correctional facilities and jails. Courthouses can prohibit carry, but it's not illegal per the IC.

Anywhere else that decides to post a no firearms sign is just a "rule" or "policy" and as such hold no weight of law in Indiana. They can request anything they want. The only request that must be followed is the request (or demand, if they're being jerks) to leave the premises, which you can be asked to leave for any reason. If you don't, then you can be trespassed.


Carry on.

I don't think you answered his question.

 

[lobowind]

Does the sign look different when it is definitely illegal to carry into a building such as the State house vs a sign that is posted on a restaurant or movie theater?

 

[country69]

i honor are request about carring on some elses property.i simply leave if i don't like there rules

 

[DRob]

Stale

Some folks are so wrapped up in their "rights" they seem to have totally forgotten others have rights as well. Property owners and managers have every right to prohibit the carrying of guns or, for that matter, just about anything else they choose to prohibit. Medical facilities have had these signs posted since before some people on here were born.

"Nothing new here"? Wrong! What's new here is another opportunity for a long since worn out whine!

 

[usermax2000]

I guess if its concealed they won't know will they....

 

[Ted]

I guess if its concealed they won't know will they....

Most people don't go to the lengths to think that a ball point pen, scissors, pocket knives, a belt, a boot, fist, etc......all carry the potential of being a weapon as well.

 

[jcwit]

Some folks are so wrapped up in their "rights" they seem to have totally forgotten others have rights as well. Property owners and managers have every right to prohibit the carrying of guns or, for that matter, just about anything else they choose to prohibit. Medical facilities have had these signs posted since before some people on here were born.

"Nothing new here"? Wrong! What's new here is another opportunity for a long since worn out whine!

How is it whining when the owner sets his own rules. Don't like it? Get out!

 

[Ted]

How is it whining when the owner sets his own rules. Don't like it? Get out!

Hey you! The guy having the heart attack! Get out of the hospital!

 

[jcwit]

Hey you! The guy having the heart attack! Get out of the hospital!

Say What?

 

[Ted]

How is it whining when the owner sets his own rules. Don't like it? Get out!

Hey you! The guy having the heart attack! Get out of the hospital!

Say What?

Isn't that what you're supporting? One has to obey the owner's rules, regardless of the circumstances?

 

[jcwit]

Isn't that what you're supporting? One has to obey the owner's rules, regardless of the circumstances?

Yup! Thats what I'm saying. His/Her property, his/her rules. Don't like it? Get out!

Not hard to comprehend, or is it?

 

[Ted]

Yup! Thats what I'm saying. His/Her property, his/her rules. Don't like it? Get out!

Not hard to comprehend, or is it?

So to the guy OCing:

Hey you! The guy having the heart attack! Get out of the hospital!

Right?

 

[jcwit]

OK, Now I understand your comment.

This is usually taken care of in the ER upon arrival. Just as folks that have been in an accident and are carrying, concealed or not.

Not the same as blatenly ignoring the rules.

 

[Ted]

OK, Now I understand your comment.

This is usually taken care of in the ER upon arrival. Just as folks that have been in an accident and are carrying, concealed or not.

Not the same as blatenly ignoring the rules.

Oh come now, the rules apply to everyone, don't they?

 

[Dobber]

I am unaware of St. Vincent properties or policies, but I can tell you that at the risk of losing my job I carried every evening/night shift I worked at my local MO for my 3 years there. My personal safety is, at the end of the day, more important then my job. I can always get another job...so long as I'm alive. I would never advocate that anyone break "the rules" for the sake of breaking them. If you feel that while visiting in the hospital or physicians' office there is even a remote possibility of your safety being threatened, obey your rights. If you're visiting G-mama in the Geri wing at 9a on a Sunday...maybe lock it up in the car.

Common sense goes a long way in these situations. It's been proven that the legality of the sign is not an issue, so maybe fall back on the concept of risk vs. benefit. You risk being ejected, trespassed, or "saving the day" as some put it if you carry. You risk being victimized if not. Measure your risk and act accordingly. Your decision from case to case will not hamper yours or my gun rights in the immediate future. That is, unless you try to save the day and, well...fail.

-Dobber

 

[jcwit]

Oh come now, the rules apply to everyone, don't they?

As the old saying goes.

To every rule there is the exception.

 

[Hammerhead]

I don't think you answered his question.

Yes I did, I just didn't answer this:

Does the sign look different when it is definitely illegal to carry into a building such as the State house vs a sign that is posted on a restaurant or movie theater?

before it was asked. To answer this, no, not generally. Most places that are illegal via the Indiana Code don't need or use signs. This isn't a fact, and I could be wrong. However their signs, if they have them, probably will state the IC that makes it illegal. However a general "gun buster" sign is generally used.


The only other sign that will affect your ability to carry into an otherwise legal location (restaurant, for example) would be one that specifically states that you are trespassing if you are carrying a firearm. There is one business that I know of that uses these types of signs, and that is Chuck E. Cheeses. Their "no firearms" signs specifically state that if you are carrying a firearm, you will be treated as a trespasser.

I have personally never seen a sign anywhere else that says the same thing.