Never rob a market with an armed cashier. We have a prize winner!

[IndyDave1776]

You're suggesting vigilante justice. Despite overwhelming evidence of guilt, that scumbag never had his day in court and that's not how we're supposed to do it here. Even if we did, the penalty for armed robbery isn't a firing squad. Like or not, faults and all, that's what we've agreed to in this country.

I'll say it again that the right time to shoot the guy was pretty much any time except when he did it. There was a strong case for lethal force through most of the video, just expressly not when he deployed it. Shooting a guy in the back who has empty hands is almost certainly going to land you in prison.

You have to bear in mind that you are addressing four separate and distinct sets of standards here, specifically Brazilian law, US law, my idea of right and proper, and your idea of right and proper. I will emphasize that Brazilian law is the only relevant standard here.

Under Brazilian law, no one in authority gave a damn.

Under US law, the cashier most likely would be on his way to trial as the criminal received a cash settlement.

In my reckoning there are no tears shed for a dangerous criminal who wont be back to do it again tomorrow or the next day.

I have my own understanding of what I believe to be your right and proper forming up in my mind but prefer to leave that to you.

 

[NHT3]

Appeared to me he still had his hand on the gun in his manbag and just got complacent and outflanked. Too bad he still passed the room temp test when the cops got there. Stories like this are better deterrents than trials ending in hung juries. Got what he deserved and it didn't take 10 years for him to get it.

 

[maxwelhse]

Under US law, the cashier most likely would be on his way to trial as the criminal received a cash settlement.

The only one I'm concerned about is that one.

This is a US gun forum and a disturbing number of you guys are cheerleading for what looks a lot like a murder charge in the US. I sure as hell wasn't going to sit on the sidelines and say nothing.

We have been told routinely about the numbers, and types, of people that read this forum. Some dipstick that doesn't know any better comes in here, sees that video, 20 guys cheerleading, and may think it's completely acceptable here to do the same thing. It isn't.

This has even deeper implications if you've been watching the news, at all, since about 2014. White clerk, black robber, and any doubt whatsoever of the legality? City on fire. Maybe a country on fire...

 

[IndyDave1776]

The only one I'm concerned about is that one.

This is a US gun forum and a disturbing number of you guys are cheerleading for what looks a lot like a murder charge in the US. I sure as hell wasn't going to sit on the sidelines and say nothing.

We have been told routinely about the numbers, and types, of people that read this forum. Some dipstick that doesn't know any better comes in here, sees that video, 20 guys cheerleading, and may think it's completely acceptable here to do the same thing. It isn't.

This has even deeper implications if you've been watching the news, at all, since about 2014. White clerk, black robber, and any doubt whatsoever of the legality? City on fire. Maybe a country on fire...

Part of the process of becoming g a grumpy old man is that I do not feel responsible for protecting the stupid from themselves. The event happened in another country. I am not going to roll out condemnation just in case someone too obtuse to grasp that point happens to be reading.

 

[maxwelhse]

Part of the process of becoming g a grumpy old man is that I do not feel responsible for protecting the stupid from themselves. The event happened in another country. I am not going to roll out condemnation just in case someone too obtuse to grasp that point happens to be reading.

Good thing there are other people in the community to help out then...

 

[tv1217]

By US legal standards, this was a bad shoot. My stance on the moral rightness of it is more the opposite.

 

[DadSmith]

By Indiana law can you shoot someone in the back when they are retreating? I know this wasn't Indiana, just wonder what DA would do here? Would they charge the store owner?

 

[churchmouse]

The only one I'm concerned about is that one.

This is a US gun forum and a disturbing number of you guys are cheerleading for what looks a lot like a murder charge in the US. I sure as hell wasn't going to sit on the sidelines and say nothing.

We have been told routinely about the numbers, and types, of people that read this forum. Some dipstick that doesn't know any better comes in here, sees that video, 20 guys cheerleading, and may think it's completely acceptable here to do the same thing. It isn't.

This has even deeper implications if you've been watching the news, at all, since about 2014. White clerk, black robber, and any doubt whatsoever of the legality? City on fire. Maybe a country on fire...

I have Soooooooooo much I could say about this and most all of it would be the truth save for a few embellishments due to my own feelings on how these **** bags "SHOULD" be treated but are not.
We used to do this here. Then we got "Civilized" and good on us for it but doing this we let everything get out of hand. And everything is out of hand as I type.

 

[cbhausen]

Pretty simple: When there are no consequences things get out of hand. And right now our judicial system lacks consequences. And we, the law abiding, cannot legally make up for it on the spot. We must do so legislatively, and this gets tougher all the time as society gets more, what shall I say, “diverse“…

 

[yepthatsme]

My opinion, this might not be considered a bad shoot in the U.S. If the clerk felt like his life was still in danger, he had the right to shoot in self defense. I believe it would be very difficult for a prosecutor to convince a jury that the clerk had nothing to fear. The clerk could simply state that the robber was in possession of a firearm and he was afraid that he was going to turn around and kill him before leaving the store. Just my

 

[AtTheMurph]

Dude would be going to jail for doing that here. The robber was walking away, wasn't even holding his weapon anymore, and was shot twice in the back. As the second shot hit him he was literally running away.

I'm not crying a river for one less scumbag out there, but that wasn't a self defense shooting at that point. 60 seconds prior it would have been.

Dude went for his gun. I would have emptied the mag. Bullets are cheap, even today.