My big annoying delema...

[younggun21]

OK, so I may have brought this up here before but I thought I would rant / ask for advice / try not to throw things again... I thank you for your patience...

I'm 21 (as of father's day), home from college for the summer and obviously a "gun nut" (not sure of the exact requirements to be a "gun nut" but I have to at least qualify as a "junior gun nut") I also live within in shooting distance of Pendleton Pike.

Now I love out fair city here, but down my way things get a little scary at times. We live in a newer neighborhood in a nice house (I thank God everyday for the way he has blessed my family with what we have) However, there have been numerous break-ins in our neighborhood over the last year.

Our house is equiped with motion lights and a security system which we use faithfully. Dad also has an old 870 he bought when he was in high school and my great grandpa's old '97... oh I guess I should mention they are locked up in the basement... and here lies the root of my frustration.



Due to the number of break-ins (two just down the street) I have been suggesting (since Feb.) that my father bring one of the shot guns out of the bacement (preferably not the knuckle-buster) and keep it behind his bed room door next to security system key pad. My brother is 18 and there are no toddlers or young children really ever in our house to basic safety and such would not be a problem.

To shorten this for your sake... he said no. Then he proceeds to get fired up and tell me that I better not own a handgun or buy one and bring it into his house. So being the smart ass that I am I asked if I could buy a shotgun for behind MY door. Nope to that one too. We have had numerous discussions, some heated, some not about this topic. His theory is, if they come in then we will give them whatever they want... I ask what if they want to kill us? He said "That's why you pray to God son."

Of course I responded... "Help comes to those who help themselves."

The funny thing is I can't ever get a straight explanation from him as to why he doesn't want a gun in the bedroom. I have asked if he is worried about pulling the trigger when the time comes (honestly didn't think it was that but just asked) and he said that was not the issue. I asked if it was because of my mom and her being uncomfortable.. no. Finally he looked at me and said "Son imagine if somebody came in and tried to harm us and YOU shot and killed them. Do you really think we could like here after that?"

I said, "Nope, but imagine someone came in and shot anyone of us...(long dramatic pause)... do you think the rest of the family could live here? I'd like to have the option to move rather than be lying on the floor."

I could go on for hours recounting our convorsations for you, but I will spare you and my fingers from the agony.

So here is where I need advice... Do I respect the Ol' Man's wishes and not buy a gun? Do I do it and apply "don't ask, don't tell?" I love my father, respect and look up to him, and I hope someday I can become half the man he is, but I think he is being irrational.

What to do... what to do...

-K

 

[younggun21]

OK, so I may have brought this up here before but I thought I would rant / ask for advice / try not to throw things again... I thank you for your patience...

I'm 21 (as of father's day), home from college for the summer and obviously a "gun nut" (not sure of the exact requirements to be a "gun nut" but I have to at least qualify as a "junior gun nut") I also live within in shooting distance of Pendleton Pike.

Now I love out fair city here, but down my way things get a little scary at times. We live in a newer neighborhood in a nice house (I thank God everyday for the way he has blessed my family with what we have) However, there have been numerous break-ins in our neighborhood over the last year.

Our house is equiped with motion lights and a security system which we use faithfully. Dad also has an old 870 he bought when he was in high school and my great grandpa's old '97... oh I guess I should mention they are locked up in the basement... and here lies the root of my frustration.



Due to the number of break-ins (two just down the street) I have been suggesting (since Feb.) that my father bring one of the shot guns out of the bacement (preferably not the knuckle-buster) and keep it behind his bed room door next to security system key pad. My brother is 18 and there are no toddlers or young children really ever in our house to basic safety and such would not be a problem.

To shorten this for your sake... he said no. Then he proceeds to get fired up and tell me that I better not own a handgun or buy one and bring it into his house. So being the smart ass that I am I asked if I could buy a shotgun for behind MY door. Nope to that one too. We have had numerous discussions, some heated, some not about this topic. His theory is, if they come in then we will give them whatever they want... I ask what if they want to kill us? He said "That's why you pray to God son."

Of course I responded... "Help comes to those who help themselves."

The funny thing is I can't ever get a straight explanation from him as to why he doesn't want a gun in the bedroom. I have asked if he is worried about pulling the trigger when the time comes (honestly didn't think it was that but just asked) and he said that was not the issue. I asked if it was because of my mom and her being uncomfortable.. no. Finally he looked at me and said "Son imagine if somebody came in and tried to harm us and YOU shot and killed them. Do you really think we could like here after that?"

I said, "Nope, but imagine someone came in and shot anyone of us...(long dramatic pause)... do you think the rest of the family could live here? I'd like to have the option to move rather than be lying on the floor."

I could go on for hours recounting our convorsations for you, but I will spare you and my fingers from the agony.

So here is where I need advice... Do I respect the Ol' Man's wishes and not buy a gun? Do I do it and apply "don't ask, don't tell?" I love my father, respect and look up to him, and I hope someday I can become half the man he is, but I think he is being irrational.

What to do... what to do...

-K

 

[JetGirl]

So here is where I need advice... Do I respect the Ol' Man's wishes and not buy a gun? Do I do it and apply "don't ask, don't tell?" I love my father, respect and look up to him, and I hope someday I can become half the man he is, but I think he is being irrational.

What to do... what to do...

-K

His house= his rules. No likey=move out.

 

[Fletch]

Seriously dude. You're 21. By my count, that makes you a couple years overdue. Save up some cash, find a cheap apartment, invite your bro to join you, and snag yourself a shooter. You'll never become half the man your dad is until you're making your own way. So get started!

I moved out over an argument with my pops. Best thing I ever did, for me, for him, and for us. We're best buds now.

 

[strongcrow]

I agree with Annie, what with me being the "Mean Old Dad" and all. I've already had one move out because of "My Rules". Wasn't firearms , but the "You will not bring drugs into my house" rule. Just the same, don't step on your dad's di*k, or you'll probably regret it for the rest of "HIS" life. Wow, I'm giving sage advice, quick somebody call my kids !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His house= his rules. No likey=move out.

 

[Feign]

His house= his rules. No likey=move out.

Yep. Time to leave the nest kiddo.

 

[bigcraig]

meh.......I would buy one and keep it secret.

"It is easier to ask for forgiveness, than it is to ask for permission."

 

[Ri22o]

His house= his rules. No likey=move out.

meh.......I would buy one and keep it secret.

"It is easier to ask for forgiveness, than it is to ask for permission."

I agree with both of you. Take which ever route you feel better with, but if you take Craig's route, make sure that YOU are the only one that knows about it.

3 can keep if a secret of 2 are dead holds true.

 

[rhino]

Well, this may sound hollow coming from a 43 year old who lives at home with his parents, but . . .

Your father is wrong. However, it's his house, and no matter how wrong he is, he has the right to make the rules. Live by his rules or move out.

Of course, BigCraig makes excellent sense. Here is the key: if it needs to be a secret, DO NOT TELL ANYONE. No, you can't make an exception for your brother or your best friend or anyone else that probably can trust. Just keep it to yourself. That includes DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT ON COMPUTER FORUMS OR IN E-MAIL.

 

[Ri22o]

Of course, BigCraig makes excellent sense. Here is the key: if it needs to be a secret, DO NOT TELL ANYONE. That includes DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT ON COMPUTER FORUMS OR IN E-MAIL.

I didn't see anything...

 

[haldir]

Sorry, I don't like the idea of a secret gun in the house. So friends bring their kids over and you are out of the house. No one knows they need to worry about a pistol under your mattress or in the back of your closet, I don't think I need to draw much of a picture there. I never kept mine secret from my little ones. They knew where they were, knew they were loaded and never touched them. I took them out shooting when they were little and they were scared to death of them.

 

[Annie Oakley]

I think "his house, his rules" would be the only way to go. I would be more interested in seeing what his thinking is in depth. Some people seem to be completely unable to imagine taking another life. While I don't understand it, I must respect it because it is their opinion. Sneaking a gun in is not the way to go. Too many possibilities that might have consequences that you won't like. One that comes to mind is you not being there, an invasion happens and they use YOUR weapon to kill your parents. Not a good thought....

 

[rhino]

If you keep a gun, it shouldn't be available to unauthorized persons at any time, regardless of whether it's secret or not. Either keep it on your person or locked away and there won't be any problems with unauthorized use.

 

[Ri22o]

If you keep a gun, it shouldn't be available to unauthorized persons at any time, regardless of whether it's secret or not. Either keep it on your person or locked away and there won't be any problems with unauthorized use.

I was going to post about getting a gun lock box, or something similar. That would be the only way I would keep one 'secret'.

 

[JetGirl]

WTF?!!

If your name is NOT on the mortgage, you don't get a choice.

Of course an underhanded secret would be a GREAT way to repay the people who have sheltered you, fed you, clothed you, educated you...
Yeah, I'm starting to re-think my whole position.
NOT.

 

[munky_3434]

the only thing i hid in my parents house when i lived there was porn. move out.besides when you get a girl at a bar(or anywhere else) it is'nt really cool to bring her to your parents house

 

[Bill of Rights]

You've gotten good advice here. His house, his rules. You may have good reasons for living where you do; maybe you're saving up now so you CAN move out, I don't know.

I think it's a fair bet that even if you DO try to hide your gun in his house, he will know, even if you say nothing to anyone, ever. Think back about 15 years: Were you ever really able to pull anything over on him? Anything big? Ever able to pull it off for long? C'mon, he's your father, he's known you since you were born!

Now... you are 21... so while he has every right to say what comes into his house and on his property, if you own your own car, (and by that I mean that you make all payments, only your name is on the title, you buy the insurance, gas, maintenance, and such, AND that car never comes into his driveway or his garage, he has no right to tell you that you cannot own a gun and keep it there. If you do this, he may still take exception; he won't be correct, but it's still his house and it may quickly no longer be your home! Additionally, you run the risk of either your car being burglarized or just being stolen, and your gun falling into criminal hands, but you DO have the right to choose what you buy and when. IMHO, waiting till you have your own place (which should probably be soon!) is probably best.

My advice in a nutshell? Choose wisely.

Blessings,
B

 

[esrice]

Dad's house = Dad's rules.

If you respect him, then you'll respect his wishes. When you have a place of your own, you'll have your own rules, and those can include "guns in EVERY room".

 

[kbrown84]

Agreed Evan.
KBopcorn2:

 

[flagtag]

Dad's house = Dad's rules.

If you respect him, then you'll respect his wishes. When you have a place of your own, you'll have your own rules, and those can include "guns in EVERY room".

And until then, PRAY (if that's your thing) that God does protect him. He would need all the help he could get. (As do those he would put at risk.)

Good luck!