Marine Corps may drop ‘ma’am’ and ‘sir’

[Quiet Observer]

It looks like it will probably be "yeah", "whatever", and "hey you".

Marine Corps may drop 'ma'am' and 'sir' over gender-neutral concerns for drill instructors

The Marine Corps has been advised that its drill instructors should no longer be referred to by gendered terms like “ma’am” or “sir."

americanmilitarynews.com

 

[Ark]

So say a bunch of gender studies losers from some university.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

“Instead of saying ‘ma’am’ or ‘sir,’ recruits in these Services refer to their drill instructors using their ranks or roles followed by their last names

I had no idea USMC called drill instructors "Sir" or "Ma'am" anyway. That'd get you punished in the Army. NCO's are addressed by their rank, or sometimes informal variations (ie "Top" for a 1SG). I'm sure this we can spin some controversy out of it, though. Maybe get a little outrage going.

 

[XMil]

I had no idea USMC called drill instructors "Sir" or "Ma'am" anyway.

Interesting. In the USAF it was required to start with Sir or Ma'am. At least that was the case when Abraham Lincoln and I served.

On the other hand, I've always quietly wondered why we address one another in accordance with the presumed genitals of the addressed...

 

[Usmccookie]

I had no idea USMC called drill instructors "Sir" or "Ma'am" anyway. That'd get you punished in the Army. NCO's are addressed by their rank, or sometimes informal variations (ie "Top" for a 1SG). I'm sure this we can spin some controversy out of it, though. Maybe get a little outrage going.

In the marines, as a recruit you held no rank and weren't a marine yet. You didn't rate to address a marine, even a private by anything other than sir or ma'am.

 

[wcd]

In the marines, as a recruit you held no rank and weren't a marine yet. You didn't rate to address a marine, even a private by anything other than sir or ma'am.

^^^^^^^^^
What he said. And is the case even today.

 

[KLB]

In the marines, as a recruit you held no rank and weren't a marine yet. You didn't rate to address a marine, even a private by anything other than sir or ma'am.

I wondered why they did that. I'm also used to the Army way.

So a civilian would be wrong to address a marine by rank?

 

[jerrob]

I was raised addressing adults by "Sir" or "Ma'am", the alternative was some unpleasant discipline to say the least.
Being a hard habit to break, I found myself making that mistake more than once in basic training.
I swear, Ft. McClellan has to sit below sea level from all the push ups I've done over that simple mistake.

EDIT; And corrected once by a judge for calling him "Sir" while answering his question.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

On the other hand, I've always quietly wondered why we address one another in accordance with the presumed genitals of the addressed...

Because until recently, we didn't have to "presume" anything. We could accurately predict the genitalia based on the appearance of the person. Now it's a crap shoot.

 

[Usmccookie]

I wondered why they did that. I'm also used to the Army way.

So a civilian would be wrong to address a marine by rank?

No, a civilian is free to call anyone as they feel fit. In uniform, I got a lot of "sirs". I lived in Jacksonville, 90% population was linked to the marines one way or another, so I'm not sure how that sways the data. Plus camis aren't allowed off base. So usually civilians just greeted you as just another person...

 

[HoughMade]

At Basic, in the Army you called your drill sergeant: "Drill Sergeant"....and I guarantee that gender theory had nothing to do with it, not in 1990 when I did it and not for a long time before.

 

[Flingarrows]

Interesting. In the USAF it was required to start with Sir or Ma'am. At least that was the case when Abraham Lincoln and I served.

On the other hand, I've always quietly wondered why we address one another in accordance with the presumed genitals of the addressed...

Was like that in 86 when I was at Lackland

 

[Creedmoor]

It looks like it will probably be "yeah", "whatever", and "hey you".

Marine Corps may drop 'ma'am' and 'sir' over gender-neutral concerns for drill instructors

The Marine Corps has been advised that its drill instructors should no longer be referred to by gendered terms like “ma’am” or “sir."

americanmilitarynews.com

I highly doubt that will happen, a response like that to a NCO or an Officer will get ones sh!t pushed in.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Was like that in 86 when I was at Lackland

I was at Lackland in 86. 3743rd BMTS Flight 200.

 

[MrSmitty]

I was at Lackland in 86. 3743rd BMTS Flight 200.

Same in "81.......

 

[Creedmoor]

In the marines, as a recruit you held no rank and weren't a marine yet. You didn't rate to address a marine, even a private by anything other than sir or ma'am.

LOL,
It all changes right after the recruits finish
The Crucible, That Eagle & Globe is pushed in your hand and Poof, you are now a US Marine Private or Private First Class.
If its summer, your barracks ac will be on when you get back.

 

[Usmccookie]

LOL,
It all changes right after the recruits finish
The Crucible, That Eagle & Globe is pushed in your hand and Poof, you are now a US Marine Private or Private First Class.
If its summer, your barracks ac will be on when you get back.

Where the f was there ac?! We didn't even have washing machines. All laundry was done by hand.

..
..
Must have been parris Island marines....

 

[Creedmoor]

No, a civilian is free to call anyone as they feel fit. In uniform, I got a lot of "sirs". I lived in Jacksonville, 90% population was linked to the marines one way or another, so I'm not sure how that sways the data. Plus camis aren't allowed off base. So usually civilians just greeted you as just another person...

Tobies, TOBIES!!!!

 

[Flingarrows]

I was at Lackland in 86. 3743rd BMTS Flight 200.

3706 BMTS / flight 096

Went on to Sheppard AFB for 362x4 ( later 2E773)

What was your AFSC Kelly?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Because until recently, we didn't have to "presume" anything. We could accurately predict the genitalia based on the appearance of the person. Now it's a crap shoot.

Pat disagrees.

I only had one instance of "oh ****, masculine female or feminine dude???" when a medical type CPT came through a gate I was manning at EFMB testing. I went with "Sir", feeling that if I was wrong I could claim force of habit due to being in an all male MOS and unit. To this day I'm not sure if I got it right or not...