Libertarian Progressive Alliance?

[EnochRoot43]

YouTube - Ron Paul & Ralph Nader: A Libertarian-Progressive Alliance?

Discuss!

 

[EnochRoot43]

Are you kidding? No response? Not even a WTF EVR, THESE GUYS ARE L@ME!

I guess the truth is a bitter pill.

 

[rambone]

I enjoyed the video. Up until health care I was in agreement with both of them. On health care I favor Ron Paul.

Ralph Nader is a socialist -- but he doesn't strike me as one of these One World Government / Globalist types. He doesn't support all the foreign meddling, things like NAFTA, and as he noted, the Federal Reserve run by international banking elites. Nader is pretty far out there, but I don't think he's like so many of the members of "Establishment" who's strings are pulled from elsewhere. He seems truly independent. In that sense he would be an improvement from Barack Obama.

Are you kidding? No response? Not even a WTF EVR, THESE GUYS ARE L@ME!

I guess the truth is a bitter pill.

Its late, INGO folks have early bedtimes.

 

[EnochRoot43]

Exactly. While these men are DIAMETRICALLY opposed in traditional measures, they are actually closer in opinion (and truth!) than anyone else in office today. I just hope that this puts into focus the result of "voting the party line". If you vote Republican just to work against Democrats....you are actively working against the real change we all claim we want. Drop the labels, and vote for men and women who push for the ideals you support! Don't see that man or woman in your district? BE THAT PERSON! I WILL VOTE FOR YOU.

 

[ElsiePeaRN]

Thanks for posting this video! I'm a big Ron Paul fan, and have had varying opinions of Nader throughout my life! I think it's not as surprising as folks want to think that people associated with our ideas of the "Left" and the "Right" could agree on many things. I think it's because the whole idea of the Left-Right dichotomy is really false--or at least misleading and not useful. But people tend to cling to the labels like badges of honor. I think that two opposing parties looking to drum up support for their perspective will find specific issues to disagree on simply to distract from the areas that they actually agree on. This interview with Paul & Nader is an unusual look at the other side of the coin.

I have always liked the Nolan Chart as a good way of opening peoples' perspectives to something a little more inclusive than a simple left-right model of the political spectrum. When you actually start including some specific criteria, you see that the oversimplified Left-Right model really is sort of useless and is probably a major cause of most of our political gridlock. (Don't get me wrong-- I love political gridlock--it keeps them from doing as much damage as they would otherwise!)

I'd be surprised if a link to the Nolan Chart has never been posted here before, but in case anyone hasn't seen it, here's a link to a page that I think does a good quick job of describing it. I don't believe the Nolan Chart is perfect, but it's a good illustration of how the left-right concept is misleading. One could do something similar with all sorts of criteria and support my point.

The Nolan Chart: Laird Wilcox

 

[mrjarrell]

The libertarian/progressive alliance isn't really anything new. We have many areas of common interest. Same as a libertarian/green alliance. Or a libertarian/conservative alliance. We'll always have some overlap issues, but it's the differences that bring a stark reality. We're definitely on the same page on many civil liberties issues with progressives, but not so much in the liberty arena, (see gun rights). The same can be said about libertarians and "conservatives". We can find some agreement on economic issues, but they've proven to be poor comrades in the civil liberties and freedom arena, and that gulf has been growing wider over the years. Political libertarians are more than willing to work with anyone who shares a particular goal in common, but won't allow themselves to be subsumed by them. Entangling alliances can be a dangerous thing. We tend to choose our friends wisely, when it comes to issues.

 

[Expat]

We tend to choose our friends wisely, when it comes to issues.

As I understand it, many libertarians supported Obama. An example of your wisdom, no doubt.

 

[mrjarrell]

As I understand it, many libertarians supported Obama. An example of your wisdom, no doubt.

Some did, because in some issue areas he was clearly superior to the zombie that the gop chose to run against him. If they had chosen a real, live human being to run that might not have happened. Instead they chose the zombie and caribou Barbie. Personally, I didn't vote for either and know only a few who did vote for Obama, most either voted for the libertarian candidate or chose none of the above. Chances of a conservative alliance are falling, tho. That segment is getting out of hand. Many libertarians will form an alliance with the TEA Party types, but not the TEA Party Express/gop types. That's a losing proposition.

 

[serpicostraight]

2012 we need the nuge for pres palin for vice and ozzy for speaker of the house. ozzy will straighten out all the confusion on the drug/alchohol laws.