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  • RAnderson

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    IT IS GETTING VERY SERIOUS NOW

    By Chuck Baldwin
    May 12, 2009

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]First, it was a Missouri Analysis and Information Center (MIAC) report; then it was a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report; now it is a New York congressman's bill. Each of these items, taken on their own, is problematic enough; taken together they portend "a clear and present danger" to the liberties of the American people. It is getting very serious now.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]As readers may recall, the MIAC report profiled certain people as being potential violence-prone "militia members": including people who supported Presidential candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and myself. In addition, anyone who opposed one or more of the following were also included in the list: the New World Order, the U.N., gun control, the violation of Posse Comitatus, the Federal Reserve, the Income Tax, the Ammunition Accountability Act, a possible Constitutional Convention, the North American Union, the Universal Service Program, Radio Frequency Identification (RFID), abortion on demand, or illegal immigration.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The MIAC report prompted a firestorm of protest, and was eventually rescinded, with the man responsible for its distribution being dismissed from his position. The DHS report profiled many of the same people included in the MIAC report, and added returning Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans as potentially dangerous "extremists."[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]As I have said before, it is very likely that when all of the opinions and views of the above lists are counted, 75% or more of the American people would be included. Yet, these government reports would have law enforcement personnel to believe we are all dangerous extremists that need to be watched and guarded against. If this was not bad enough, a New York congressman has introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to deny Second Amendment rights to everyone listed above.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]According to World Net Daily, May 9, 2009, "A new gun law being considered in Congress, if aligned with Department of Homeland Security memos labeling everyday Americans a potential 'threats,' could potentially deny firearms to pro-lifers, gun-rights advocates, tax protesters, animal rights activists, and a host of others--any already on the expansive DHS watch list for potential 'extremism.'[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, which permits the attorney general to deny transfer of a firearm to any 'known or suspected dangerous terrorist.' The bill requires only that the potential firearm transferee is 'appropriately suspected' of preparing for a terrorist act and that the attorney general 'has a reasonable belief' that the gun might be used in connection with terrorism.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Gun rights advocates, however, object to the bill's language, arguing that it enables the federal government to suspend a person's Second Amendment rights without any trial or legal proof and only upon suspicion of being 'dangerous.'"[/FONT]​
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]WND quotes Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt as saying, "By [DHS] standards, I'm one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano's terrorists. This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they're all potential terrorists. Actually, we could rename this bill the Janet Napolitano Frenzied Fantasy Implementation Act of 2009."[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Pratt was also quoted as saying, "Unbeknownst to us, some bureaucrat in the bowels of democracy can put your name on a list, and your Second Amendment rights are toast." He went on to say, "This such an anti-American bill, this is something King George III would have done."[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Now that DHS has established both a list and a lexicon for "extremists," it looks to Congress to confer upon it police-state-style powers through which these individuals may be disarmed and eventually done away with. Rep. Peter King is accommodating this goal with H.R. 2159.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Let me ask a reasonable question: how long does anyone think it would be, after being profiled by DHS and denied the lawful purchase of firearms, that those same people would be subjected to gun confiscation? And how long do you think it would be before DHS began profiling more and more groups of people, thus subjecting them to gun confiscation?[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This was exactly the strategy employed by Adolf Hitler. The Jews were the first people denied their civil rights--especially the right to own and possess firearms. Of course, after disarming Jews, the rest of the German citizenry was likewise disarmed. And we all know where that led.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]I'm not sure how many of the American people realize that it was the attempted confiscation of the colonialists' cache of arms in Concord, Massachusetts, that started America's War for Independence. Yes, my friends, it was attempted gun confiscation that triggered (pun intended) the "shot heard 'round the world." And now it would appear that, once again, a central government is on the verge of trying to deny the American people their right to keep and bear arms.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]I am told that as of 2004, 50% of the adults in the United States own one or more firearms, totaling some 270 million privately owned firearms nationwide. I would venture to say that the vast majority of these gun owners would find themselves matching the DHS profile of a potential "extremist." I wonder how many gun owners realize the way they are now being targeted by their government, and just how serious--and how close--the threat of gun confiscation has become?[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]If one doubts the intention of the elitists in government today to deny the American people their right to keep and bear arms, consider what former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger is purported to have said just a couple of weeks ago. Kissinger attended a high-level meeting with Russian President Medvedev that also included former Secretaries of State James Baker and George Shultz; former Secretary of Defense William Perry; and former Senator Sam Nunn. Included in the discussions was Kissinger's assertion that the American people were now ready to accept a "New Global Order." He is also reported to have told Medvedev, "By September we'll have confiscated all privately owned guns so it really doesn't matter what we do, we'll still be in charge." (Even though the national news media has not reported this statement, the Internet is abuzz with Kissinger having said it. Whether Kissinger actually made that statement or not, he, and rest of his ilk, have repeatedly called for a New World Order, in which there will be no constitutional protection for the right to keep and bear arms.)[/FONT]​
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]http://www.newswithviews.com/DonateNWV.htm[/FONT]​
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This leads to a very serious question: how many of America's gun owners would allow their government to deny them gun ownership? Further, how many would passively sit back and allow their guns to be confiscated?[/FONT]​
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]As humbly and meekly as I know how to say it: as for me and my house, gun confiscation is the one act of tyranny that crosses the line; debate, discourse, discussion, and peaceful dissent cease and desist at that point. I say again, it is getting very serious now.[/FONT]​
     

    tv1217

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    This is how you start some ****. You label people who don't agree with you as "terrorists" or something else. Take their defenses away, and then you "deal with" them.
     

    redneckmedic

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    In addition, anyone who opposed one or more of the following were also included in the list: the New World Order, the U.N., gun control, the violation of Posse Comitatus, the Federal Reserve, the Income Tax, the Ammunition Accountability Act, a possible Constitutional Convention, the North American Union, the Universal Service Program, Radio Frequency Identification (RFID), abortion on demand, or illegal immigration.


    Yes I oppose abortion on demand, what the hell is this....comcast abortion?!? And I'm sorry if ...wait WTF I am not appoligizing for opposing ILLEGAL Immigration!

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    tv1217

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    Just go to channel 666 for Abortion On-Demand!

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    jennybird

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    ...could potentially deny firearms to gun-rights advocates...


    Ok, does anyone else see the lunacy in this statement? Yeah, I know, there's lunacy swirling around the entire thing, but... why would anyone supporting gun control even apply for a firearm? :n00b:

    Apparently one thing is perfectly clear though... I am a right-wing extremist. My grandfather, a highly decorated veteran, wounded 3 times fighting on the front lines of WWII, would be so proud. :patriot:
     

    tv1217

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    Ok, does anyone else see the lunacy in this statement? Yeah, I know, there's lunacy swirling around the entire thing, but... why would anyone supporting gun control even apply for a firearm? :n00b:

    Apparently one thing is perfectly clear though... I am a right-wing extremist. My grandfather, a highly decorated veteran, wounded 3 times fighting on the front lines of WWII, would be so proud. :patriot:
    A gun rights advocate would be against gun control, not for it.
     

    jennybird

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    A gun rights advocate would be against gun control, not for it.

    Need another cuppa joe? :coffee:


    I think you need to re-read what I wrote. My point was that if they're going to deny firearms to gun-rights advocates, then they imply that they WOULDN'T deny them to gun control advocates. THAT is the part that doesn't make sense.
     

    causerofwait

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    Okay, assuming we follow the VERY CLEAR RULE OF STICKY #3, and most of us found out or already knew that phone calls and emails to our "representatives" don't have any effect (read: Souder voted "yea" to the bailout while admitting that most calls to his office showed strong support for a "nay"), and knowing that I (and hopefully others here) voted for the author of the above article, WHAT THE HELL CAN I/WE DO? :xmad::xmad::xmad:
     

    Paco Bedejo

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    C'mon guys...if you're not criminals/terrorists/extremists/libertarians, then what do you have to fear from our benevolent caretakers? Just submit. Roll over & let 'em pat your tummy.

    :horse:
     

    bigg cheese

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    You know, like putting chips in people to track them. . . like they do with dogs (and new pants) already.

    I don't think that's quite correct. RFID's are very range limited, and typically only respond to another powered device VERY close by.

    There are GPS trackers in animals, but they are much more expensive than RFID.

    There are also RFID's in animals as you said, but you have to have the animal in hand with a capable hand scanner to read it. It is simply for ID purposes if a dog is found and taken to a shelter/vet.

    RFID is also something that has been considered for a long time as a shopping alternative to bar codes. Simply put all items in your cart, walk through a reader (kind of like the magnetic strip alarm deals), and then pay for all the items it scans. Obviously, it's not yet feasible, but still a viable option :).
     

    CulpeperMM

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    I don't think that's quite correct. RFID's are very range limited, and typically only respond to another powered device VERY close by.

    There are GPS trackers in animals, but they are much more expensive than RFID.

    There are also RFID's in animals as you said, but you have to have the animal in hand with a capable hand scanner to read it. It is simply for ID purposes if a dog is found and taken to a shelter/vet.

    RFID is also something that has been considered for a long time as a shopping alternative to bar codes. Simply put all items in your cart, walk through a reader (kind of like the magnetic strip alarm deals), and then pay for all the items it scans. Obviously, it's not yet feasible, but still a viable option :).

    RFID transmitters or "readers" at airports, borders, state borders or other places of "interest" could track where the people go and with whom.
     

    jennybird

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    I don't even know what that means. Should I be digging a foxhole in my yard?

    If somone comes knocking on your door demanding you hand over your guns, what are you prepared to do?

    If SHTF and there is a run on the grocery store and no food is available for you and your family, what are you prepared to do?

    If your family and home are in danger from looting, riots, etc., what are you prepared to do?

    Need I go on?
     

    esrice

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    If somone comes knocking on your door demanding you hand over your guns, what are you prepared to do?

    If SHTF and there is a run on the grocery store and no food is available for you and your family, what are you prepared to do?

    If your family and home are in danger from looting, riots, etc., what are you prepared to do?

    Need I go on?

    :runaway:
     

    4sarge

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    This is how you start some ****. You label people who don't agree with you as "terrorists" or something else. Take their defenses away, and then you "deal with" them.

    Actually, you are on the right track (no pun intended). Start with PC Speech & Thoughts, add Hate Crime Legislation to Prosecute those who may think differently and create Special Protected Groups, then add (Legislate) Law to Police the Web, NewsPrint and the airwaves of all Dissenting Opinion and you now have the world that we live in. Just one question, what legislated protected group do you belong to. My answer is none, and that puts us (me) on the endangered species list :rolleyes:

    Evidently, I'm a Terrorist to this Administration because I believe in the US Constitution, Our USA's Proud History, Individualism, Religion and the Right to Bear Arms (2nd Amendment) :patriot: and fly this flag proudly.
     
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