Does Dementia Joe Step Down Tonight?

[JAL]

I’m not sure who is running the show.
. . .

It's the White House Easter Bunny.

 

[JAL]

Waste of time. Too many R won’t vote for it and you get what….? Nothing changes. Just another puppet.

No "R" could vote for it to start the process. 25th Amendment removal requires the VP plus the majority of the Cabinet Secretaries carry it out in a Julius Ceasaresqe removal (et tu VP?) by communicating to the Speaker of the House and President Pro Tempore of the Senate that the POTUS is no longer able to discharge the duties of his office. The VP and Cabinet Secretaries are all Democrats. VP takes over immediately.

There is a procedure after that if the POTUS invokes it (which I can guarantee he would) . . .
POTUS can communicate to both House Speaker and Senate Pres Pro Tem that he is capable, whereupon he immediately resumes being POTUS. If, within four days after that, the VP and majority of Cabinet Secretaries again communicate to the House Speaker and Senate Pres Pro Tem the POTUS is incapable of performing his POTUS duties, both houses of Congress must assemble within 48 hours to decide the matter. Requires a super-majority 2/3 vote within 21 days by both houses to permanently remove POTUS. If Congress fails to do so within 21 days, POTUS is POTUS again and it's ended.

As you can see, the likelihood of a successful 25th Amendment removal is all but zero. I can guarantee you it would end up in the 21 day Congressional POTUS removal chaos end game.

 

[JAL]

Joe has always been a hard-headed, hot headed, belligerent, confrontational SOB. Look at his behavior over the years.... He has NEVER backed down from a fight; willing to take on whom ever on the slimmest affront to him, his behaviors, beliefs or positions.
I believe that his ego is involved here - being forced to do something (step down) from the Presidential position that he "believes" he can do and that he is the "only one" qualified to do it. Joe has NEVER backed down from a fight and this issue questions his ability.
I believe that the only ways that the democrats can remove him from running for reelection are the 25th Amendment, causing or creating an incident that physically or mentally disqualifies him from running from reelection or, heaven forbid, pulls another JFK.

Having had an early onset Alzheimer's family member, they become more easily triggered into physically and verbally combative behavior as the disease progresses. I watched this occur at very close range. Regaining physical control of an out-of-control child can be challenging enough. Doing so with a grown adult in good health with decent physical strength can be extremely difficult, requiring several adults to contain and restrain the person until it subsides.

 

[JAL]

And remember, this is the Party that talks so much about how they are 'saving' the democracy.

With DNC Super Delegates, just to ensure the "correct" candidate is selected . . . a system created after George McGovern won the primaries resulting in the 1972 POTUS Election landslide with Nixon getting 520 Electors (49 states) and McGovern only 17 (Mass. + DC). Virginia had 1 faithless elector who cast his ballot for someone else (538 total Electors). They were ready to save the day if necessary to prevent Bernie Sanders from becoming the nominee instead of Clinton. Other machinations torpedoed Sanders.

 

[indyblue]

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LOL - is this taking responsibility?

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

LOL - is this taking responsibility?

 

[KG1]

Apparently, the buck does not stop here.

 

[jwamplerusa]

Having had custody of a ton of extremely classified materials over a two decade career, I can assure you that Kelly is spot on. Intent has nothing to do with criminally prosecutable violations of classified document storage and handling procedures. In legal jargon, showing mens rea (literal translation: guilty mind) isn't required to be charged and convicted. Only actus reus (literal translation: guilty actions). The only questions are whether there were violations, and was the charged individual responsible for having done them, or having failed to prevent them.

So which justice system do we get? I think I can make an educated guess with low risk of being wrong.

 

[DragonGunner]

No "R" could vote for it to start the process. 25th Amendment removal requires the VP plus the majority of the Cabinet Secretaries carry it out in a Julius Ceasaresqe removal (et tu VP?) by communicating to the Speaker of the House and President Pro Tempore of the Senate that the POTUS is no longer able to discharge the duties of his office. The VP and Cabinet Secretaries are all Democrats. VP takes over immediately.

There is a procedure after that if the POTUS invokes it (which I can guarantee he would) . . .
POTUS can communicate to both House Speaker and Senate Pres Pro Tem that he is capable, whereupon he immediately resumes being POTUS. If, within four days after that, the VP and majority of Cabinet Secretaries again communicate to the House Speaker and Senate Pres Pro Tem the POTUS is incapable of performing his POTUS duties, both houses of Congress must assemble within 48 hours to decide the matter. Requires a super-majority 2/3 vote within 21 days by both houses to permanently remove POTUS. If Congress fails to do so within 21 days, POTUS is POTUS again and it's ended.

As you can see, the likelihood of a successful 25th Amendment removal is all but zero. I can guarantee you it would end up in the 21 day Congressional POTUS removal chaos end game.

The democrats including VP Harris will do what their leader tells them to do, whoever that is. If Biden refuses to bow out, and they are setting it up for that to happen and he still doesn't, it’s either VP and democrats kick him out or Biden takes a dirt nap.

 

[klausm]

Biden is just "Weekend at Bernie's" with a pulse

 

[Shadow01]

Why complain? We know the direction this ship is headed and it’s not changing course in the next few decades.

 

[chipbennett]

Having had an early onset Alzheimer's family member, they become more easily triggered into physically and verbally combative behavior as the disease progresses. I watched this occur at very close range. Regaining physical control of an out-of-control child can be challenging enough. Doing so with a grown adult in good health with decent physical strength can be extremely difficult, requiring several adults to contain and restrain the person until it subsides.

Many of us have lived it, and know and recognize the signs. It's sad to see. I would be even more sympathetic, except he's complicit.

 

[chipbennett]

With DNC Super Delegates, just to ensure the "correct" candidate is selected . . . a system created after George McGovern won the primaries resulting in the 1972 POTUS Election landslide with Nixon getting 520 Electors (49 states) and McGovern only 17 (Mass. + DC). Virginia had 1 faithless elector who cast his ballot for someone else (538 total Electors). They were ready to save the day if necessary to prevent Bernie Sanders from becoming the nominee instead of Clinton. Other machinations torpedoed Sanders.

It also doesn't have anything to do with/adversely impact "democracy". Political parties have the authority to select their candidates however they see fit (see: freedom of association). A candidate choosing to affiliate with any given party is implicit consent to the machinations of that party. That candidate could always choose instead to run as part of a different party, or no party.

 

[chipbennett]

Having had custody of a ton of extremely classified materials over a two decade career, I can assure you that Kelly is spot on. Intent has nothing to do with criminally prosecutable violations of classified document storage and handling procedures. In legal jargon, showing mens rea (literal translation: guilty mind) isn't required to be charged and convicted. Only actus reus (literal translation: guilty actions). The only questions are whether there were violations, and was the charged individual responsible for having done them, or having failed to prevent them.

Which is why Biden's memory and/or mental capacity/state should have no bearing. As VP (much less, as Senator), he never had legal grounds to possess classified documents. The crime was committed. There's really no reason to exercise prosecutorial discretion based on ability to get a jury to buy into arguments around intent.

(And there are several military members who have had their lives absolutely ruined through mere accidental action regarding classified materials, who clearly do not enjoy Equal Protection under law.)

 

[Old Road Dog]

Many of us have lived it, and know and recognize the signs. It's sad to see. I would be even more sympathetic, except he's complicit.

And even MORE complicit is "Dr." Jill, she knew all along and continues to shield him in public.

 

[Old Road Dog]

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Here is the full 388 page PDF DOJ Report from Special Counsel Robert Hur regarding the Classified Documents Investigation.
They are hoping ,as with most things political, that "The American People" will not actually read it.

 

[Pepi]

She will win

 

[JAL]

It also doesn't have anything to do with/adversely impact "democracy". Political parties have the authority to select their candidates however they see fit (see: freedom of association). A candidate choosing to affiliate with any given party is implicit consent to the machinations of that party. That candidate could always choose instead to run as part of a different party, or no party.

That's true -- just pointing out the hypocrisy of their "Party of The People" and "Democracy" claim with the reality that it's a Kabuki Theater being run by the wealthy elite.

 

[nucular]

So the dems think running Joe is their best bet for success. Kamala has super low approval ratings and Newsom is too extreme. They don't have anyone in the wings right now that is a shoe-in but there are still enough never trumpets out there that would vote for a semi-senile old man over trump.

But what about Newsom as Joe's VP? Joe runs from the basement again with Newsom being quiet in the background as his running mate. his handlers just make sure they both keep their mouths shut and biden wins the election. Sit tight 3 to 6 months and the dems more than happily agree that he is not suited for office, they help get him removed, and now we have Newsom in the presidency.

 

[foszoe]

And remember, this is the Party that talks so much about how they are 'saving' the democracy.

Retirement has you talking to yourself, I see