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  • Palarran

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    A stall in an airplane is related to the aerodynamics of the wing (angle of attack too high or speed insufficient to produce adequate lift) and has nothing to do with the engines. :)

    Almost correct. A stall is solely caused by the angle of attack between the wing and the relative wind exceeding the critical angle of attack. When this happens the airflow separates from the top of the wing, causing the aircraft to lose most of its lift. The aircraft is now falling instead of flying, and is in an aerodynamic stall.

    While low airspeed can contribute to a stall, it isn't the primary cause of one, as an aircraft can stall from any combination of airspeed and attitude if the critical angle of attack is exceeded. An example would be severe turbulence where an aircraft is forcefully pushed up; the plane may be momentarily stalled due to the rapid change in the angle of attack even though it is at a normal cruise attitude and airspeed.

    A stall is a safe maneuver for a trained pilot in a properly loaded plane. It is usually first taught within the first ten hours of a pilot's training. But if the load shifted in as extreme a way as it possibly did here, the aircraft's center of gravity would have shifted so far aft of the flight envelope that it induced a stall that was impossible to recover from.
     

    femurphy77

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    Climbing after take-off like that isn't unusual in the Middle East. Most likely the onboard cargo was not strapped down correctly, fell to the tail of the plane, and brought the plane down.

    Bingo, bango, bongo!!! I've seen a couple of videos like this one and they were attributed to cargo shift. Watch how the plane rocks from side to side; the pilot was attemting to get the nose over but it was just side slipping on them. I'm guessing there are a couple out of work load specialists after this one.
     

    remauto1187

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    A stall in an airplane is related to the aerodynamics of the wing (angle of attack too high or speed insufficient to produce adequate lift) and has nothing to do with the engines. :)
    Say what? There are only 2 forces in an aircraft that will make the speed sufficient to obtain and/or maintain lift..... ENGINES (Thrust) and Angle of Attack (Pitch Down). That engine flames out and NO MORE THRUST unless of course you include falling out of the sky (Angle of attack down) and that massive increase of airspeed...until you hit the ground.
     

    TD12

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    Bingo, bango, bongo!!! I've seen a couple of videos like this one and they were attributed to cargo shift. Watch how the plane rocks from side to side; the pilot was attemting to get the nose over but it was just side slipping on them. I'm guessing there are a couple out of work load specialists after this one.


    Doubtful, as I stated there was only 1 load master on this flight. That one guy, would likely be a higher experience guy to be the ONLY load master. Equipment failure is being blamed at this point, not inexperience.

    Why would someone be fired for equipment failure?
     

    Caleb

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    Doubtful, as I stated there was only 1 load master on this flight. That one guy, would likely be a higher experience guy to be the ONLY load master. Equipment failure is being blamed at this point, not inexperience.

    Why would someone be fired for equipment failure?

    How do you fire a dead guy?
     

    Vince49

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    Say what? There are only 2 forces in an aircraft that will make the speed sufficient to obtain and/or maintain lift..... ENGINES (Thrust) and Angle of Attack (Pitch Down). That engine flames out and NO MORE THRUST unless of course you include falling out of the sky (Angle of attack down) and that massive increase of airspeed...until you hit the ground.


    Sure would surprise a lot of sailplane pilots to hear that! :D Palarran's explanation of the stall is more detailed and accurate than mine was as I was just trying to keep it simple but believe me that an aerodynamic stall is a function of the airfoil not the engine.

    PS: You would be amazed at how far the average airplane (including the big ones) can glide when flown at optimum L over D speed.

    PPS: Not however when the CG limits have been exceeded for whatever reason.
     
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    Sure would surprise a lot of sailplane pilots to hear that! :D Palarran's explanation of the stall is more detailed and accurate than mine was as I was just trying to keep it simple but believe me that an aerodynamic stall is a function of the airfoil not the engine.

    PS: You would be amazed at how far the average airplane (including the big ones) can glide when flown at optimum L over D speed.

    PPS: Not however when the CG limits have been exceeded for whatever reason.
    This came to mind, when I read your post:
    'Miracle on the Hudson' pilot Capt. Chesley Sullenberger
     

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    Bingo, bango, bongo!!! I've seen a couple of videos like this one and they were attributed to cargo shift. Watch how the plane rocks from side to side; the pilot was attemting to get the nose over but it was just side slipping on them. I'm guessing there are a couple out of work load specialists after this one.

    From other sources plane flew in loaded, only took on fuel.

    Most likely cause is a load shift, small possibility of mechanical issue that caused the uncontrollable pitch up and thus stall.

    I fly big airplanes full of cargo and this is scary.
     

    femurphy77

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    Doubtful, as I stated there was only 1 load master on this flight. That one guy, would likely be a higher experience guy to be the ONLY load master. Equipment failure is being blamed at this point, not inexperience.

    Why would someone be fired for equipment failure?

    Not saying anyone should be fired, just the typical knee-jerk "we gotta do something" attitude so prevelent in our gubmint nowadays.
     
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    Similar accident happened to a DHL Cargo plane 8 or 10 years ago. It was flying out of the old Mather AFB near Sacramento. Cargo shift happens. And that's GOT to be the scariest thing for a cargo pilot - because there's not a lot you can do.
     

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