can anyone identify this gun?

[johnjw77]

any ideas? I've heard from a few guys that it's an italian carcano but I have looked at pictures of them and it doesn seem to be an exact match. It also seems shorter and has a ring that I would guess is for cavalry. Would also make sense why it is shorter. Possible a special version??

 

[indyjohn]

Whatever it is, it's awesome! How did it come into your possession?

Mauser action. I've never seen it as far as any US military small arms. So it's European or South American origin (somewhat educated guess).

 

[terrythegamer]

Not sure what gun it is but it may have been sporterised explaining three reason it shorter

 

[shooter521]

Spanish Mauser saddle-ring carbine

 

[indyjohn]

Spanish Mauser saddle-ring carbine

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

 

[shooter521]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Maybe not; on further research, the front sight appears different.

The gun also resembles a Boer War Mauser cavalry carbine, but those had the saddle ring on the side of the stock, rather than at the bottom.

The search continues...

 

[johnjw77]

Spanish Mauser saddle-ring carbine

does appear to be similar, but as you stated the front end is a bit different. It also has sling mounts on the left side, I will try to get a picture and post it as well. The one in the stock is stationary and the one on the forearm is a swivel type.

 

[johnjw77]

Whatever it is, it's awesome! How did it come into your possession?

Mauser action. I've never seen it as far as any US military small arms. So it's European or South American origin (somewhat educated guess).

thanks! I agree! It's a very unique gun for sure. I walked around an outdoor flea market with it today and it recieved A LOT of attention, but no one really seemed very certain of what it was. I purchased it from my little brother who has many mausers. I would like to see what it's worth, although im not sure I can part with it.

 

[shooter521]

Might be a Brazilian 1894 carbine. I found this description on a Mauser-related website:

Model 1894 Mauser Cavalry Carbine
This carbine has a straight wrist stock that is not full length and is equipped with a saddle ring on the bottom just behind the trigger guard. There is no bayonet lug.
Specs. are: Length 37.38 inches; Weight 6.85 lbs.; Barrel 18.0 inches; Caliber 7x57mm


But I have yet to find a picture online to confirm it. Any markings on the receiver to help us out?

 

[indyjohn]

I think that's a solid ID. Considering the age, I would bet someone thought they had a good reason to change the front end at some point in its life.

Not the first time I've seen a good rifle modified for "no apparent reason". TheMacallan has a Winchester 1892 with a barrel 2" short because at some point in its life, someone decided to recrown the muzzle. Apparently a common practice back in the day..

 

[johnjw77]

Might be a Brazilian 1894 carbine. I found this description on a Mauser-related website:

Model 1894 Mauser Cavalry Carbine
This carbine has a straight wrist stock that is not full length and is equipped with a saddle ring on the bottom just behind the trigger guard. There is no bayonet lug.
Specs. are: Length 37.38 inches; Weight 6.85 lbs.; Barrel 18.0 inches; Caliber 7x57mm


But I have yet to find a picture online to confirm it. Any markings on the receiver to help us out?

only markings on the gun are the numbers "3727" on the bottom of the clip housing, "8647" possibly, in front of the action and "6123" on the back of the action.. there is also a few VERY small images on it.. I will attach some more pics in a minute

 

[johnjw77]

ok after close look at the spanish mauser saddle ring carbine it is exact in EVERY single way except the front. I agree that the front has probably been modified for some stupid reason.

 

[johnjw77]

 

[indyjohn]

Proof marks are just cool. Learning about them is a lot of fun.

 

[2in1evtime]

1893 or 95 spanish artillery carbine due to the looks of the forward sight

 

[indyjohn]

Well.. I'll be darn, I think I found it..

How about a 1895 Chilean Mauser Carbine?

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Mauser_Rifle_Series#1895_Chilean_Mauser

 

[johnjw77]

Well.. I'll be darn, I think I found it..

How about a 1895 Chilean Mauser Carbine?

Mauser Rifle Series - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games

it does resemble it slightly, but the 1893 spanish carbine is a dead on match for the most part.. I think thats what im leaning towards at the moment. I cant seem to find much info on the history of the gun online.
however.

 

[indyjohn]

I hear you..

Google is an amazing thing, really. It's all a matter of word combinations.

Spanmauhome

Credit to 2in1evtime for giving me the search words.

 

[johnjw77]

ok so according to mastertons.us it is a model 1895, but some others sites show pictures of the full length forearm carbine version as an 1893.

I also found pictures of the maltese cross and the 4-pointed star like the ones I found and posted pictures of on mine on a "german" mauser. Is it just a german mauser because mausers were originally manufactured in Germany and then just supplied to other countries thereafter, making all mausers technially "german mausers"?

 

[Atlas]

All mausers are German mausers. Made in germany at mauser factory!