Another violation of Posse Comitatus

[CulpeperMM]

U.S. Army soldiers from Ft. Rucker patrol the downtown area of Samson, Alabama after a shooting spree March 10, 2009. At least 10 people including the suspected gunman and his mother were killed in the shooting spree and car chase in southern Alabama on Tuesday, authorities said. REUTERS/Mark Wallheiser

 

[techres]

Do you have a news link for that?

GOT IT:

REUTERS

 

[CulpeperMM]

Do you have a news link for that?

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[CulpeperMM]

well techres, no one else finds this comment worthy, buddy. just you and me here... (...crickets chirping)

 

[ihateiraq]

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]10 U.S.C. (United States Code) 375[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Sec. 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel:

The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Theyre not in violation of posse comitatus because theyre not actively enforcing any laws. theyre not making searches and seizures. Theyre just out to try and keep people from being killed by a crazy person. Obviously the police werent doing enough, because "at least 10 people were killed." If this was going on in your city, wouldnt you want any help you could get?
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[CulpeperMM]

no.

there are dangerous precedents being created here. when military begins policing America, we have officially fallen to the National Socialists.

troublesome my friend, very troublesome.

 

[4sarge]

well techres, no one else finds this comment worthy, buddy. just you and me here... (...crickets chirping)

I find it quite alarming that in the case of one lone gunman that someone felt the need to call in the military. One would think that the locals, whether it would be town, city, county and state would be sufficient Damn, good thing that were not 2 Gun Men or an air strike may have been required

& Definitely NO

 

[Timjoebillybob]

If those are U.S. army soldiers yes its a violation, if its national guard operating under the Governor its actually is legal. But why the hell would they need them for this?

 

[ihateiraq]

you didnt read what i posted..did you? it doesnt matter. posse comitatus isnt even in the constitution. it was put forth by southern senators post reconstruction, that used intimidation to ensure their seats.

 

[CulpeperMM]

If those are U.S. army soldiers yes its a violation, if its national guard operating under the Governor its actually is legal. But why the hell would they need them for this?

Getting society used to seeing military doing police work i guess. ASSuming (i know) the reporter is correct, these were US Army soldiers.

 

[jeremy]

I am actually not going to argue against you guys on this one. That is a gross misuse of military personnel and funding. Active, Reserve, or Guard does not really apply. Misuse is misuse.

 

[CulpeperMM]

you didnt read what i posted..did you? it doesnt matter. posse comitatus isnt even in the constitution. it was put forth by southern senators post reconstruction, that used intimidation to ensure their seats.

I read it. I didn't say anything about the constitution. the answer is still no. we do not want to be ruled over by a fascist government thousands of miles away. no thank you.

i'd rather my police live in my neighborhood and attend the same churches and schools as me and my neighbors. they would be less likely to push people into railroad cars to be incinerated after years in camps.

 

[ihateiraq]

I read it. I didn't say anything about the constitution. the answer is still no. we do not want to be ruled over by a fascist government thousands of miles away. no thank you.

i'd rather my police live in my neighborhood and attend the same churches and schools as me and my neighbors. they would be less likely to push people into railroad cars to be incinerated after years in camps.

lol...are you serious? love him or hate him, obama isnt going to round anyone up and exterminate them. i hope you were using hyperbole and thats not what you really feel is going to happen. its that thought process that leads to ruby ridge-esque incidents. the government is not out to get you. just because people dont have the same views as you doesnt mean theyre trying to kill you.

 

[ihateiraq]

I am actually not going to argue against you guys on this one. That is a gross misuse of military personnel and funding. Active, Reserve, or Guard does not really apply. Misuse is misuse.

agreed. it makes me wonder about their police force, or lack there of.

 

[jeremy]

lol...are you serious? love him or hate him, obama isnt going to round anyone up and exterminate them. i hope you were using hyperbole and thats not what you really feel is going to happen. its that thought process that leads to ruby ridge-esque incidents. the government is not out to get you. just because people dont have the same views as you doesnt mean theyre trying to kill you.

No but this IS a clear misuse of military personnel and funds. It is a definite abuse of power and authority. This is actually pretty close to be an unlawful order in all actuality.

And just because WE don't have the same views does not mean that they are not out to get me/us.

 

[haldir]

I find it troublesome. But I found this troubling as well.

tanks lined up at Waco.

 

[ihateiraq]

No but this IS a clear misuse of military personnel and funds. It is a definite abuse of power and authority. This is actually pretty close to be an unlawful order in all actuality. personnel and funds, yes. its a job for the local PD. power and authority, i dont think so. if they were out kicking in doors and snatching people up, yes. it was merely a presence patrol.

And just because WE don't have the same views does not mean that they are not out to get me/us.

i guess i cant argue your second point, so, touche.

 

[tyler34]

I think they are trying to blur some fine lines for a later time.

 

[jeremy]

personnel and funds, yes. its a job for the local PD. power and authority, i dont think so. if they were out kicking in doors and snatching people up, yes. it was merely a presence patrol.

Remind me again why this is a job to bring the military in for then...
Presence patrol nope that is what local, and state LEA are for. And what kind of ROE would you give your soldiers? What kind of weapons and ammo? No this is just asking for soldiers to either do the wrong then or to get hurt. This is definitely a bad command choice waiting for karma to happen...

 

[ihateiraq]

personnel and funds, yes. its a job for the local PD. power and authority, i dont think so. if they were out kicking in doors and snatching people up, yes. it was merely a presence patrol.

Remind me again why this is a job to bring the military in for then...
Presence patrol nope that is what local, and state LEA are for. And what kind of ROE would you give your soldiers? What kind of weapons and ammo? No this is just asking for soldiers to either do the wrong then or to get hurt. This is definitely a bad command choice waiting for karma to happen...

i didnt say it was a good or bad idea. i dont wear funny shapes on my chest. i wouldnt have used soldiers. we had the same problems in new orleans. it was really an undefined mission. but apparently the local pd sucks, and the army could respond faster than the state.