Another new "rule" incoming? No more private sales without a ffl involved?

[d.kaufman]

Without a registry how exactly do they think they'll enforce no private sales?

After the mask mandates they know most sheeple will comply and follow the "law" on their own

 

[Sigblitz]

I thought this thread was going to be about rule 5.

 

[actaeon277]

That.
And years down the road guess what.
They'll say that they NEED to have a registry.
You know, to make us all safer.

 

[cbhausen]

**** that ****. No way. I will not comply.

 

[H&M Gunsmith]

I am an FFL Type 01 Gunsmith. I am required to do a 4473 even if I sell a gun I've owned for years. For me, it's just part of the territory. FFL's don't get to do private sales because we are "engaged in the business." Even though my business is primarily repair, restoration, and customizing.

 

[TrueSeanamus]

You do realize, don't you, that there is zero enforcement capability for this? There are more than 400 million firearms in circulation in private ownership, with zero provenance. Only firearms purchased through FFLs, after this would take effect, could the government even possibly prove that a private transfer took place without an FFL.

The ATF will seemingly do anything including setting people up. Do you remember just a few weeks ago about the feds going around harassing people that were looking at, not even buying, (iirc) binary triggers on gunbroker? I wouldn’t doubt at all that they would pose as private buyers as well to get people selling without checks. This needs to be stopped before they can even attempt to enforce it.

They are a rogue agency and need to be put out of business, like yesterday. And the same needs to be done to their parent agency the FBI, and their parent agency the DoJ, and well, let’s just go ahead and fire/dismantle any federal policing agency.

 

[TrueSeanamus]

If this is allowed to happen, a generation or two down the road will have nothing to fight with against tyrannical government overreach, eliminating the Second Amendment or neutering it to mean nothing.

The NFA, GCA, and to an extent the Hughes amendment have basically already done this.

When we can’t have access to the same (or better if we want to pony up what the gov was too cheap to buy) then we are put at a massive disadvantage.

For this thought experiment we will be discussing an invading foreign army and DEFINITELY NOT ANY OTHER GROUPS.

If the invading army has the backing of a federal government buying all the cool toys like night vision, machine guns, grenades and other explosives, armored vehicles, helicopters, drones, etc etc etc we are already out at a massive disadvantage when these invaders come to us just by their massive buying power.

Add to that that we are either legally precluded entirely, businesses are too scared to sell, or we are massively disincentivized by restrictions and fees, we were long ago rendered fairly toothless. We are “lucky” to have semi auto rifles now, let alone the implements of war we would need to form a militia to protect ourselves from some “invading army”. Even smaller stuff like RPG’s, grenades, Machineguns that don’t cost as much as a car (or a house in some cases) that are nearing 40 years old AT NEWEST. And those are just the minimums of gear that can be carried by a single person.

The founders were very happy that people had the best of the best at the time, artillery/ cannons, whole war ships, and the ability to buy any weapon they desired. And it remained that way until about 90 years ago. And it’s all gone to hell since then.

And the country with it.

 

[Brian's Surplus]

I am an FFL Type 01 Gunsmith. I am required to do a 4473 even if I sell a gun I've owned for years. For me, it's just part of the territory. FFL's don't get to do private sales because we are "engaged in the business." Even though my business is primarily repair, restoration, and customizing.

Not true.

"If, however, the firearm is held in the personal collection of the licensee for more than one year, the firearm may be sold as the licensee’s personal firearm. Although no ATF Form 4473 or NICS background check is required, the licensee must record the disposition of the personal firearm in a personal disposition record."

May a licensee maintain a personal collection of firearms? How can they do so? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Yes. A licensee may log business firearms out of the acquisition and disposition (A&D) record as a personal firearm. If that firearm is sold within a year of having been transferred to the licensee’s personal collection, the licensee must re–enter the firearm in the business A&D record, and sell...

www.atf.gov

 

[trader]

as an employer. i can't understand why a employer would hire anyone who is pro biden or allow such a person remain a staff member. i always have room for Christian Conservatives.

 

[bwframe]

FYI - Important stuff in the video ceases at the 5 minute mark, after that is Colion selling stuff, but maybe that interests some?

 

[Griz375]

This is yet another back door attempt to get closer to the SJW Nirvana - no firearms possessed by taxpayers.

1. Issue a Certificate allowing people to purchase firearms. Record Certificate holders addresses & other ID Info.
2. Start associating sales by make/model & SN to the Certificate owner by keeping written or electronic logs (or both).
3. Start to categorise firearms by usage, operation system, calibre etc etc.
4. Commence declaring categories as Restricted, non-Restricted, Prohibited.
5. Start issuing certificates for each firearm like a license plate for your vehicle right?
6. Start category-specific rules of usage, storage & transport.
7. Start progressive recategorisation to move non-restricted into Restricted or Prohibited classes.


Remember that Certificate? Over time it became a license to buy &/or possess.
Remember that Address & ID info? Now, it's required by law to update every time you move so your location is a known bit of Intel. Remember association of sales to the Certificate (now a License) and its location?

Now those SJWs know who you are, where you live and have a list of what you own - yes, a shopping list.

Don't think this is possible? Look North to Canada & then South to the rest of the English-speaking British Commonwealth. All pretty much disarmed over time, all pretty much Socialist entities with little hope of moving in another direction politically.

Never understood why SJWs are so afraid of 2A except for this: scratch an SJW and you'll likely find a Marxist, bent on enforcing his/her version of what's best for the "masses".

They hope "Masses" includes you and me.

If this takes root, its another attack on 2A.

 

[bwframe]

We need our fire brands like Gates, Massey, Luna and Roy singing this song in Congress as frequently as possible.

Election season is coming, we need to use it. Just like the libs do successfully, with the abortion thing.

Banks and Braun have higher ambition? They need to be singing the 2A song today...

 

[Griz375]

as an employer. i can't understand why a employer would hire anyone who is pro biden or allow such a person remain a staff member. i always have room for Christian Conservatives.

Good to know - I'll be looking for work soonish

 

[radar8756]

....
Issue a Certificate allowing people to purchase firearms. ...

this is how Michigan ( and who knows what other states ) do handgun purchases

1: Obtain permit to purchase from local law enforcement
2: Purchase Handgun - dealer fills out their section of permit
3: Take Handgun AND Permit back to local law enforcement - they verify numbers and give you back Wallet size card
4: Repeat for any additional handguns

Be ready to present applicable card to law enforcement ...
i.e. 6 handguns = 6 wallet cards

 

[d.kaufman]

this is how Michigan ( and who knows what other states ) do handgun purchases

1: Obtain permit to purchase from local law enforcement
2: Purchase Handgun - dealer fills out their section of permit
3: Take Handgun AND Permit back to local law enforcement - they verify numbers and give you back Wallet size card
4: Repeat for any additional handguns

Be ready to present applicable card to law enforcement ...
i.e. 6 handguns = 6 wallet cards

And the obligatory

 

[Griz375]

this is how Michigan ( and who knows what other states ) do handgun purchases

1: Obtain permit to purchase from local law enforcement
2: Purchase Handgun - dealer fills out their section of permit
3: Take Handgun AND Permit back to local law enforcement - they verify numbers and give you back Wallet size card
4: Repeat for any additional handguns

Be ready to present applicable card to law enforcement ...
i.e. 6 handguns = 6 wallet cards

Sounds much like the Firearms Registration Certificate as issued by RCMP up north. Those are of course linked to your PAL in the national DBF.

Further "Good News"?

Each & every PAL number is run every 24 hours against national Police DBFs and even if you're in one of those only as a witness, your file is flagged. That flag is often released that day pending review but if you happen to try to buy a firearm during that time frame, it will be scrutinised and reviewed by someone in Federal LEW before a transfer is authorised.

And, those Firearms Registration Certificates, depending on classification, must accompany the firearm if it leaves your home for any reason.
Oh yes and then there's the Authorisation to Transport. The Northern SJWs have, via their policing arm, the RCMP have created a host of "paper crimes" which, by their wording, guarantee you will be found guilty if charged for same.

Such guilty findings are cause to suspend your PAL and seizure of your firearms and ammunition without compensation. If you're fortunate and get the right judge, you might be given time and permission to consign your firearms for sale via federally licensed dealer.


That's where the current US Federal Administration wants to put you.

 

[Mgderf]

Sounds much like the Firearms Registration Certificate as issued by RCMP up north. Those are of course linked to your PAL in the national DBF.

Further "Good News"?

Each & every PAL number is run every 24 hours against national Police DBFs and even if you're in one of those only as a witness, your file is flagged. That flag is often released that day pending review but if you happen to try to buy a firearm during that time frame, it will be scrutinised and reviewed by someone in Federal LEW before a transfer is authorised.

And, those Firearms Registration Certificates, depending on classification, must accompany the firearm if it leaves your home for any reason.
Oh yes and then there's the Authorisation to Transport. The Northern SJWs have, via their policing arm, the RCMP have created a host of "paper crimes" which, by their wording, guarantee you will be found guilty if charged for same.

Such guilty findings are cause to suspend your PAL and seizure of your firearms and ammunition without compensation. If you're fortunate and get the right judge, you might be given time and permission to consign your firearms for sale via federally licensed dealer.


That's where the current US Federal Administration wants to put you.

"When in the course of human events..."

 

[ditcherman]

this is how Michigan ( and who knows what other states ) do handgun purchases

1: Obtain permit to purchase from local law enforcement
2: Purchase Handgun - dealer fills out their section of permit
3: Take Handgun AND Permit back to local law enforcement - they verify numbers and give you back Wallet size card
4: Repeat for any additional handguns

Be ready to present applicable card to law enforcement ...
i.e. 6 handguns = 6 wallet cards

I had no idea, I thought Illinois was bad. We're being surrounded by commies.

 

[Griz375]

"When in the course of human events..."

Yes sir

Just posting a little heads up for those who might not be aware of how long-term committed the SJW-Marxist Cabal is to excising 2A from the US Constitution.

I find most active members on forums like this are aware and alert to the issue but there's always a few who aren't.

Judging by the speed and economy of your response, it's plain to see you're not in that group.

 

[Griz375]

I had no idea, I thought Illinois was bad. We're being surrounded by commies.

Indeed - look at the political entities behind the NATO membership list. Pretty much all SJW or w/ very heavy leanings in that direction.

EU makes up a large percentage of NATO and most members are fully behind the open border, one govt concept and have effectively strangled most private ownership of firearms.

Believe it or not, many Americans, busy with making their way through life, are unaware the US is almost the only nation on the planet with a long-term, entrenched "Right To Bear Arms" component to their rights as citizens.

It's easy to keep track of the progress toward that end as most CDN/Aus/NZ & UK publications are in English. Barring the spelling and some word usage/vernacular (slang) easy enough for an American to understand.

Most of the strategy is fairly straight forward; incremental increase in control on sales of firearm & related items and creating an illusion of safety without wide spread firearm ownership.

Then when some mass casualty shooting incident occurs, a sudden and sweeping roll out of more restrictions all aimed at eventual disarmament of the population.