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7 Rules for Recording Police
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As a police officer I am disturbed by all of the attention that this produces. It is not the police officers that enacted these laws. These laws were enacted by the legislators that were elected by the people complaining about the law(s).
Having said that, if I am not doing anything wrong, then I have nothing to fear. The agency I work for has audio/video equipment in our patrol vehicles. As a supervisor, I like those cameras because if an officer does something wrong the investigation and disciplinary action are done very quickly. On the other hand, if a citizen files a false complaint, a good officer's reputation need not suffer unnecessarily.
Finally, I have testified on issues concerning use of force. I often times cringe when I read a media article when the press uses terms like roughing up a suspect, or tuning up a perp, etc. The question that should be asked on use of force is: "Was the force reasonable and necessary given all the circumstances surrounding the situation".
In summary, I disagree with Boston's law (which has no bearing here in Hoosier Country); and I will with hold any criticisms of the Officers there, because they are sworn to uphold those laws that were past. As for there treatment of the suspect; that is a topic for greater discussion than can be covered here.
Having said that, if I am not doing anything wrong, then I have nothing to fear. The agency I work for has audio/video equipment in our patrol vehicles. As a supervisor, I like those cameras because if an officer does something wrong the investigation and disciplinary action are done very quickly. On the other hand, if a citizen files a false complaint, a good officer's reputation need not suffer unnecessarily.
Finally, I have testified on issues concerning use of force. I often times cringe when I read a media article when the press uses terms like roughing up a suspect, or tuning up a perp, etc. The question that should be asked on use of force is: "Was the force reasonable and necessary given all the circumstances surrounding the situation".
In summary, I disagree with Boston's law (which has no bearing here in Hoosier Country); and I will with hold any criticisms of the Officers there, because they are sworn to uphold those laws that were past. As for there treatment of the suspect; that is a topic for greater discussion than can be covered here.
Obviously this guy has a different take on recording.
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Did the LEO get in trouble for this?
sure the cops are just enforcing legislation that goes against common sense and the constitution..... just taking orders right? your right to an extent and i feel sorry for the decent LEOS that have to do the horrific job of enforcing laws that should never be. i mean this with all sincerity and respect, I'm sure that's an ugly thing to face everyday, and to take on the risks of enforcing many laws that just should not be. and i thank you for your service to the community.
but the truth of the matter is LEOS are entrusted with an insane amount of power over the lives of others. i think it's only fair that since they are public servants that they subjected to filming. its a good checks and balance system for all sides. it protects us the citizen as well as hopefully adding a layer of protection for the officer too in the event that claims of miss conduct are made.
i think where maybe the confusion for you in the aspect of "why people make a big deal about the cops who are just enforcing the law" is almost every article concerning the filming of police has a representative from the FOP or union decrying the taping. this gets on the citizens last nerve. maybe our anger is not targeted appropriately, but as you know.... you guys are the front line and the powers that be hide behind you.
this is a pretty big issue for the rest of us. and i think its worth the scrutiny.
respectfully
jake
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While this is true, as selectively as most police enforce laws, the only explanation I am willing to accept as plausible for an officer using laws which were generally established for other reasons in the first place is that there is something going on which the officer in question does not wish to have recorded in a form which can later appear and considered to be evidence to either the court of public opinion or the court of law. For people who dearly love snooping into our business, they sure don't like having the shoe on the other foot. They really should remember, particularly when doing things that they don't want recorded that, first, they are sworn to uphold the Constitution and, second, we pay their salaries. They were hired as public servants, not public masters. Besides, we constantly hear infringements on our rights, particularly the Fourth Amendment justified with the stock horsesh*t that we shouldn't object if we don't have anything to hide. That street runs both ways, especially when dealing with things done in plain sight. If those losers can peek in my windows and have it considered fair, how is what they do openly in public considered privileged?
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Well said! I am sure that you recall how well 'just following orders' worked out at Nuremberg!
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I am with you there! I caught a wave of teachers most of the way through who were in their last couple of years before retiring.
I am not here to call anyone a NAZI and I have the utmost respect for the many officers I have as friends.... which over the years have included local, state, county, and a couple of Federal employees....
That being said.... the way the officer in the video drove his squad car directly at the man with the camera..... Looks like assault to me....
If a private citizen had done that to a uniformed officer.... their windshield would have looked like Swiss cheese...
That being said.... the way the officer in the video drove his squad car directly at the man with the camera..... Looks like assault to me....
If a private citizen had done that to a uniformed officer.... their windshield would have looked like Swiss cheese...
I think that was one of 3 cases of wrongful arrests for recording police covered in Stossel's Illegal Everything doc. Stossel claims none of them were punished but the charges were dropped.
