.50 Caliber Legality

[-XL-]

I've often read that the .50cal is the largest caliber "allowed by law". What law is this restricted under? How can they justify this?

Anyone actually shoot .50cal?

 

[Disposable Heart]

Note sure about illegal beyond that size. Then all .600 NE and .700 NE would be destructive devices?

Next they will say my .460 Weatherby is illegal after the election!

 

[NateIU10]

I'm too tired to get the actual law right now, but yes 50 cal is the largest centerfire diameter bullet allowed without having to be registered as a destructive device. They justify it the same way as a SBR is more deadly than a regular rifle and a machine gun kills all children, puppies and rainbows...they just wanted to.

 

[shooter521]

I've often read that the .50cal is the largest caliber "allowed by law". What law is this restricted under?

The National Firearms Act of 1934.

The definition of a "destructive device" is found in 26 U.S.C. § 5845(f). The definition reads (in part) as follows:

(2) Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes;

So any firearm with a bore diameter greater than .50 is automatically classified as a Destructive Device and regulated under the NFA, unless it is a shotgun that has been deemed "particularly suitable for sporting purposes." Does that mean such a firearm is "illegal"? Not if you properly register it with the Feds, and live in a state that does not prohibit such a weapon thus registered.

 

[-XL-]

So my 12Ga slugs are not destructive devices!

 

[indykid]

Hard to believe that according to our super intellegent government, the .458 is not a destructive device. Neither are 12Ga slugs! (as long as you are on the correct end of the weapon!)

What about "shall not be infringed" do they not understand???

 

[-XL-]

I get into the "slippery slope" argument all the time with anit-annies on other boards. Why doesn't the second am. give individuals the right to own nukes!!!

 

[dburkhead]

I get into the "slippery slope" argument all the time with anit-annies on other boards. Why doesn't the second am. give individuals the right to own nukes!!!

As far as I can see, it does. However, the development of things like Nukes is one reason why there's an amendment process. I would probably support a Constitutional Amendment to explicitly deny RKBN (Right to Keep and Bear Nukes) provided it were sufficiently tightly worded so that it doesn't ban such things as radium watch dials, tritium sights, or smoke detectors.

However, the gun grabbers would not do that since doing so would be an admission that they have to actually amend the Constitution to do what they want instead of "interpreting" the RKBA away.

If new circumstances require adapting the Constitution to fit, then do it right--through the Amendment process--not by this "living document"

 

[bang]

What about "shall not be infringed" do they not understand???

All of it.

 

[RonPaulSupporter]

All of it.

Nope, just the "not" part I believe.

 

[esrice]

Anyone actually shoot .50cal?

Sure, why not?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79CKkYubIGc[/ame]

 

[bang]

Nope, just the "not" part I believe.

You are right, I stand corrected.

 

[jedi]

I get into the "slippery slope" argument all the time with anit-annies on other boards. Why doesn't the second am. give individuals the right to own nukes!!!

The 2nd Amendement was designed to give THE PEOPLE the ability to overthrow their governement by violent means if need be if it ever became a corrupt government NOT for THE PEOPLE.

With that in mind when our founding father's were creating the Bill of Rights they wanted to ensure that THE PEOPLE had arms in order to ensure that they could overthrow whatever government was in place. The arms in question was the common arms avaliable to THE PEOPLE.

In the time our our founding fathers that was muskets and pistols. Fast forward to our time and the common arms are???

Shotguns, Rifles (machine guns or full auto should be included here. That is another battle for the SUPREME COURT one day), and Handguns.

NUKES, as of right now, are not a common thing that THE PEOPLE can get. Yes how to make a NUKE is common knowledge if you know where to look. As the terroirst know how to make a nuke. The problem is the ingredients.

So since NUKEs are not something the common person can get it's not covered under the 2nd Amendement.

Now just becuase it's not covered does not mean jack. In war/rebellions there is only 1 rule: THERE ARE NO RULEs.

 

[Seancass]

and the thread makes a sharp turn into the off topic.

.50 cal is for centerfire cartridge ammunition. Go muzzle loader and there is no limit. Go 1.0 caliber. or .72 double is also acceptable.

 

[Yamaha]

so is that 1 gauge shotgun I saw awhile back in a magazine NFA as a destructive device?


yes, I said 1(one) gauge.....lol