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Goodcat · Mar 21, 2024

HoosierLife said:
He bought and sold 150+ guns in like a year.

Should be fine.

It was over 3 years. Still, 50 guns a year is a crap ton. I’m sure there are plenty of people here who sell 10-20 a year, which isn’t far off. BUT if the article is true, which I doubt, sounds like 24 Glock 45s were bought and sold, though they said “24 model 45s and AR style pistols”, so it’s unclear. It is not uncommon for someone to sell several of the same gun, as they play around with different ones. But sounds like he was buying a lot of the same guns from FFLs and selling them at a profit.

Either way, innocent until proven guilty in my mind. This no knock 6am raid was begging for tragedy, and the outcome was horrible for all parties. And lastly, none of this should even matter in the slightest because the ATF should be abolished.

Even if he was breaking the law, it’s the same as serving a no knock warrant on someone selling too many cars per year without a license and shooting them in the head. There is no difference. It is inexcusable.

ZurokSlayer7X9 · Mar 21, 2024

In what may sound contradictory from my previous rants, I don't necessarily believe this was targeted execution. I think it's more likely they use these raids like a cookie cutter and maybe to make a point. They weren't likely expecting him to beat them to the punch and that agent suppressed him in defense (even though there have been many points made here that it shouldn't have gone to that).

There could be a Ruby Ridge conspiracy here, but I believe it would have benefitted them more if he survived. They could do a whole Roger Stone media stunt and use him as a living example as to "why we need to eliminate the gunshow loophole." Even if Bryan told his tale, who outside the gun community and constitutionally minded population would care, especially if the TV didn't tell all the normies to get mad about it.

I'm currently chalking this up to yet another disastrous no-knock raid where the state takes no responsibility and citizens are seen as more and more expendable.

BigRed · Mar 21, 2024

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Where is the number of firearms mentioned?

BigRed · Mar 21, 2024

ZurokSlayer7X9 said:
In what may sound contradictory from my previous rants, I don't necessarily believe this was targeted execution. I think it's more likely they use these raids like a cookie cutter and maybe to make a point. They weren't likely expecting him to beat them to the punch and that agent suppressed him in defense (even though there have been many points made here that it shouldn't have gone to that).

There could be a Ruby Ridge conspiracy here, but I believe it would have benefitted them more if he survived. They could do a whole Roger Stone media stunt and use him as a living example as to "why we need to eliminate the gunshow loophole." Even if Bryan told his tale, who outside the gun community and constitutionally minded population would care, especially if the TV didn't tell all the normies to get mad about it.

I'm currently chalking this up to yet another disastrous no-knock raid where the state takes no responsibility and citizens are seen as more and more expendable.

Take an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the States, spend a career raping and shredding it.

Route 45 · Mar 21, 2024

BigRed said:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Where is the number of firearms mentioned?

It says Arms, right there. Which is plural. Which means you have to have more than one.

:):

BigRed · Mar 21, 2024

Route 45 said:
It says Arms, right there. Which is plural. Which means you have to have more than one.

Indeed.

It's pretty damn straight forward!

Ashton1911 · Mar 22, 2024

Im glad the constitution was so well written and straightforward. I wish the clowns in DC knew about this passage
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
And I wouldn't mind if the commerce clause was left out, but I know that clowns would make a joke out of anything, regardless of how tenuous their logic.

INPatriot · Mar 22, 2024

Ashton1911 said:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

It's as clear as every other amendment in the Bill of Rights.

The Founders of the United States and the Framers of the Constitution were the greatest collection of human intelligence in history.

Ashton1911 · Mar 22, 2024

In other news, some of our modern clowns are concerned that the first amendment might hamstring government censorship.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...nt-is-hamstringing-government-from-censorship
Sort of how the second amendment hamstrings tyranny.
I think it is a moral good to not arm people who would do evil.
This fellow who was shot in the head had plausible deniability. When we pay taxes, we know we are arming those who will do evil.

bobzilla · Mar 22, 2024

HoosierLife said:
He bought and sold 150+ guns in like a year.

Should be fine.

If you actually believe that you are part of the problem.

INPatriot · Mar 22, 2024

Ashton1911 said:
In other news, some of our modern clowns are concerned that the first amendment might hamstring government censorship.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...nt-is-hamstringing-government-from-censorship
Sort of how the second amendment hamstrings tyranny.
I think it is a moral good to not arm people who would do evil.
This fellow who was shot in the head had plausible deniability. When we pay taxes, we know we are arming those who will do evil.

Those damned amendments just keep getting in the way of tyranny...

HoosierLife · Mar 22, 2024

bobzilla said:
If you actually believe that you are part of the problem.

Are you saying it shouldn’t be fine to buy and sell 150+ guns?

SnoopLoggyDog · Mar 22, 2024

tbhausen said:
Dead men tell no tales.

Bill and Hillary Clinton Airport exec shot by ATF agents during raid at home has died, brother says

Bryan Malinowski, 53, died two days after a gunfire exchange with agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives at his Little Rock residence.

nypost.com

Seems the ATF did not learn anything from Waco. Could have talked to the citizen at work and then served the warrent to search the house. Instead, they roar in all hollywood style at o-dark thirty and kill a man in the process. No wonder they get zero respect. These agencies are out for law abiding citizens blood.

Cavman · Mar 22, 2024

Whats any federal law matter when ya can break it with no consequences? Like illegally entering the country and then being told you have a right to bear arms being a illegal?

bobzilla · Mar 22, 2024

HoosierLife said:
Are you saying it shouldn’t be fine to buy and sell 150+ guns?

Why not? I see nothing outside of rules being made by an unelected criminal agency saying anything about it. I once traded for something I thought I wanted, and traded it again 4 days later because I really didn't like it. Does that mean the AFT should have the right to come to my home, knock down my door and shoot me in the head?

If you really think they care about the numbers you're wrong. If you think they're only going to come for the ones selling a lot, you're wrong. They are coming for ALL of us. PERIOD. WE are the enemy to them and they will stop at nothing to silence us.

XDdreams · Mar 22, 2024

They clearly had options to resolve this peacefully, but they CHOSE violence. That means something.

Colt556 · Mar 22, 2024

The guy sounds as if he knew exactly what he was doing and not just selling guns he didn’t like or use anymore. Buying multiple guns and selling at a gun show a few days later is pretty sketch. Also what’s with all the weird driving around?
The man was probably breaking a few laws but deserved his day in court and not have his brains splattered across the room. Have you ever noticed how many mass shooters or murderers end of with a “self inflicted gunshot wound to the head” before they can talk? That always seemed just a little too convenient to me.
I firmly believe in the 1st and 2nd Amendments and have bought and sold some guns but never as a business or to make a profit. I can walk around many gun shows and point out some folks that do though.
I’m just always suspicious of these types of raids and the “subject “ ending up dead and unable to defend themselves or tell their side of the story. Sorry for the ramble but….. :oldwise:

DragonGunner · Mar 22, 2024

Cameramonkey said:
Yep. if you are doing a no knock its because you want to surprise them so they cant destroy evidence.

So like you said, raid the empty house at 10am and simultaneously appear with 4 officers at his office to either serve him with notice or arrest him.

There’s no fun in that now is there. Goes against all fundamental rules of having the pure joy of getting to shoot and kill someone legally.

Mongo59 · Mar 22, 2024

If a problem created by a 4473 is now worthy of lethal force maybe we should suggest a "no knock" at Hunters place?

No bonus points for hookers...

Timjoebillybob · Mar 22, 2024

indyblue said:
Well, that would put a damper on the Ingo classifieds.
sounds like normal collector seller to me. But he did not vet his buyers very well, seeing how many of them made it into crime scenes.

All in all…

We’re all f++ked

Does the normal collector seller buy 24 of the same gun? Current production pistols, not out of production, and not likely to go out of production any time soon. And sell at least some less than 24 hrs aft acquiring them? Do they they tell people to tell them what they want and they would try to get it for them?

To me with out all the info it sounds like he was a gun dealer operating with out and FFL. Which IMO should be legal, but it's currently not.

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